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Shaw Savill Line Memories

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John remembers his school days and his early working career.

By John Davies

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This story was inspired by the photograph collection at the Museum of Hartlepool.


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During my days at secondary school my best friend's father worked on the docks at Hartlepool. He operated the swing bridges and the lock gates. Often, after school, David and I toured the docks on our bicycles. When David's father was on duty we would call in his control cabin for a cup of tea and view the impressive passing ships. Back in those days I didn't imagine that I would become a seaman myself.

Back in the 1960s, in the Hartlepools, it was quite common for young men to go away to sea. In 1963, after completing my apprenticeship as an electrician at the local steel works, I became a merchant seaman when I joined Shaw Savill and Albion line. On boarding my first ship it was a culture shock when I was taken into the engine room. The massive main engines and the complex amount of auxilary equipment with numerous piping systems was an amazing sight.

My first trip to sea was quite an experience. It was like being an apprentice again. There was a lot of names and phrases to pick up that were totally new, it was like a new language. Shaw Savill and Albion line had a mixture of passenger and cargo ships. The large passenger ships did seventy-seven day round the world voyages. I only served on the refridgerated cargo vessels. Most were around eleven-thousand gross tonnes with twin diesel engines, our main routes being to Australia and New Zealand. Outward bound from the UK we carried general cargo made of everything imaginable. Homeward bound, depending on the season, the cargo would be mainly dairy, fruit or meat produce.

My first voyage took me round the world, out through the Suez Canal and Indian Ocean. We discharged in five major Australian ports then after loading in five New Zealand ports we crossed the Pacific Ocean, calling in at Tahiti then through the Panama Canal. After crossing the Atlantic Ocean we discharged at four continental ports and the UK. At school I was very poor at geography. At sea, like many others, I had a Daily Express map of the world on my cabin bulk head. Checking progress around the world improved my geographic knowledge.

Looking after the electrical equipment on board, our maintenance tasks were split into two periods. At sea we worked on the equipment which would be used during our time in port, example the twenty-two deck winches capstans windlass and portable cargo cluster light fittings. Our time in port was spent maintaining the engine room equipment, which had been running for twenty-four hours a day and often for many weeks non-stop. At sea the engineers worked a three watch system made up of four hours on and eight hours off. The electricians were on day work. Occassionally at sea, major engine breakdowns occurred. The Chief Engineer would split the watches into two, normally working six hours on and six hours off. The electricians changed onto these rotas and worked alongside the engineers. Sometimes these breakdowns lasted a few  days. We didn't get much sleep in the six hour break period. After a shower, grabbing a bite to eat and a couple of beers.

I remeber the "Leckies" job was considered the King's job by most engineers. To work day work and enjoy working on deck in the tropics was just a cruise compared to us watch keeping engineers on 4 hr watches. I started and finished my sea going period with shaw Saville and remember many an enjoyable time running between Europe and Australia & New Zealand(I now live in Oz since 1966) . I worked on the Afric which carried general cargo but was designed for wool bales, unfortunatly it was designed for N.Z. wool bales which were a different dimension than the Ozzie ones and inevitably we loaded wool bales in Oz. This ship had a beautiful 9 cylinder M.A.N 2-stroke diesel the only problem recurring was scavenge fired and the occassional loss of the govenor. I could see a better way of being an engineer at sea and transfered to the refrigeration side where we also worked day work on the way out and reverted to 4 on 8 off on the return trip. The other ships I sailed on were the Doric, Cymric, Delphic, and afew others doing coastals. I spent a wonderful New Year in the early 60's as we had a collision in the Elb going into Hamburg on the "Afric" and spent about 3 months under repair in the Deutswarf shipyard that year we started the New Year celebrations by sounding the ships horn at midnight to commence the celebrations. I would like to catch up with some of my old mates who I sailed with but in this big world we seldom cross paths. Jakie Orr the little Irishman and Tommy who both shared some time in shore escapades come immediatly to mind, wherever they are may health and happiness be with you. Thank you for reminding me of the good times I had at sea (it is natural to forget the bad times of which there were a few). Mikke Fielding ex Shaw Saville Engineer.Posted on 16/04/2010 at 03:59:00

Hi, I too served as an electrician with Shaw Savill from 1967 to 1969 & completed 3 trips aboard the SS Athenic, luckily just missing the trouble in the Suez, when at least 1 Shaw Savill ship was stuck in the bitter lakes, I thoroughly enjoyed my short spell at sea & have since found out that the Athenic was scrapped in 1969, so I imagine by the dates I must have done the last trip carrying cargo, Trevor Magnus Posted on 10/10/2010 at 04:21:54

Hi I too served 2 trips on the DORIC 1955 as a steward, I live in Australia. posted 6 May 2011.Posted on 06/05/2011 at 08:03:18

I joined the Athenic as ableseaman in Auckland to make up the deck crowd , we took her to the breakers via the states and Montreal in fact I was the last British seaman to steer her we berthed alongside the Blue Funnel ship Sarpedon which was undergoing demolition that was another great company that I was lucky enough to sail with . Posted on 21/05/2011 at 18:33:07

I joined Shaw Savill as a deck apprentice 1970 and my first trip was on the Megantic-Following that was the Zealandic,Suevic etc-also 6 months on the Crusader run. Great times were had by all with lots of fond memories,some mot to be repeated. I moved to Australia in 1979 and went into the Offhsore industry. Nickname when I started was Zebidee from Magic Roundabout. Posted on 19/08/2011 at 01:09:39

Can anyone help? I am researching the ports used by the Shaw Savill Line in New Zealand that the Athenic would have stopped off at, in the early 60's. I have been told that Napier was a stop off point, also Wellington and Auckland. Is this information correct? Are there any other ports that may have been used? thank you!Posted on 31/10/2011 at 18:01:31

Hi Regards to your query I can't vouch for the early 60's but the trip I did on the Athenic in 1968 to N.Z. we stopped at Aukland, Wellington, Christchurch, & Bluff, I was there a Month after the Wahine ferry sank in Wellington, hope this helps TrevorPosted on 09/12/2011 at 10:30:49

Hi i also sailed on the Athenic.as a elecy. my first trip was about 1963.We called at all the ports mentioned but we also spent two weeks in Opua in the Bay Of Islands loading lamb.We had a great time there we had the film Dr No and i showed it 26 times to all the locals.The 1st elecy was Geoff Tong i .was 2nd and the 3rd was a chap called Bob cant remember his second name.Finished my time at sea with SSA in 1970 as 1st elecy on the Cymric. Harry GibbonsPosted on 21/12/2011 at 13:21:29

hi mike feilding, sailed with you on the Delphic.had some good times. Met our wives at the same time. have two children-son and daughter--son travels regularly to U.K and Scotland and continent. Hope you and yours are well- Don CoghillPosted on 30/01/2012 at 05:54:02

G'day to all, I too sailed as an engineer on the Delphic, Ceramic and the Northern Star, from late '69 til '75. My first trip was on the Delphic from Liverpool to NZ, we broke down with cooling water problems about 22 times and the trip took more than 6 weeks. We were pulled out of the 'convoy' going thru' the Panama Canal when the 1st mate told the pilot that we were only running on one engine, 36 hours of stinking hot misery and mosquitoes. But that cold beer at the end of it tasted really good. Happy days, and good luck to anyone who may remember me. Geoff AhernPosted on 27/02/2012 at 20:24:25

Hi Nuala,To answer your tsiuqeons:We will curate an exhibition from the best entries. The number of artists represented at this exhibition depends on the number of artists who enter, how many entries they each submit, the overall quality of entries, as well as the sizes and the display requirements of the specific pieces. We hope to show as many as we can, but obviously our exhibition space has only a finite amount of space, so we'll be showing as many of the best entries as we can curate a cohesive show around.We can't put a figure on how many artists we will show at this stage, but I can say that the capacity of the space has in the past accommodated over 60 artists. Even though you amended your question, I'll quickly answer your first question here too, for the benefit of anyone reading who wants clarification or reiteration. From the exhibition a panel of judges will select an overall winner who will be honoured Biscuit Factory Foundation Young Artist of the Year 2011 with a solo show at The Biscuit Factory next year, and a package of prizes from Culture, Winsor and Newton, and Blackwell's. During the exhibition visitors will be given the chance to vote on their favourites and a smaller prize package will be given to this People's Choice' winner. These are both in addition to the exhibition itself, selection for which is a prize in itself we hope!Posted on 29/03/2012 at 11:11:49

And you even got her to show metal! Thanks Julia, even if the plan went with the weather, the ones you got are baifteuul. And yes those chocolate m&m eyes are awesome, she hates her hair, and I'm happy you got her to take it out of a ponytail.Posted on 29/03/2012 at 11:49:47

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This is a raelly intelligent way to answer the question.Posted on 01/04/2012 at 02:47:19

just reading some comments on leckies on shaw saville boatsin the 50s and 60s i am trying to trace a leckie earnie jones born canarevan wales 1930 who was on the nz run posted by Dennis Dawson r62175 stewards boy rangitoto 1955Posted on 05/06/2012 at 14:47:55

1965-1969 As engineer on the Iberic, Megantic, and finally Zealandic. The best 4 years of my life, Excellent ship mates, and experience gained proffessionally and socially could never ever be repeated in the new age. Now reside in Melbourne Australia, since 1974, it was hard to return to a normal life, but it was the tiime spent at sea forged my successful carreer in the mechanical engineering field. Have now retired. Regards Trevor CowlandPosted on 27/07/2012 at 06:49:10

hi anyone from mv ionic out there 68/70s jc bob gourlay dave thomas bosun spike arkley bosun would like to hear from anyone who sailed on her peter langton.Posted on 07/09/2012 at 17:54:46

hi i think gisborne was another port in nz sure i went there and napier p langtonPosted on 17/09/2012 at 15:58:01

Hi. I am looking for a friend who worked for Shaw Savill in 1970. I got one letter from him and he mentioned he was in NZ & Gisbourne. His name is John Murray from Glasgow. Any info appreciated. Email. Charlie@getcoop.co.uk Thanks CharliePosted on 19/09/2012 at 17:05:05

Hi. I am looking for a friend who worked for Shaw Savill in 1970. I got one letter from him and he mentioned he was in NZ & Gisbourne. His name is John Murray from Glasgow. Any info appreciated. Email. Charlie@getcoop.co.uk Thanks CharliePosted on 19/09/2012 at 17:09:00

G'day all, Graham Haverson here, was the second sparky on Athenic for one trip in 1963 to NZ via Panama Canal calling at Pitcairn Island out and back. She also carried 70 passengers as well as general cargo. We called at Wellington, Dunedin, Invarcargill, New Plymouth and Auckland. Because we couldn't use radio in port worked as a "seagull" stevedore (part-time) at every port and earned more in six weeks on NZ coast than complete three month trip!Posted on 21/09/2012 at 14:08:38

Hi Interesting site. Brings back a lot of memories. I am wondering if Don Coghill was the 1st Refrig. who sailed with me on the Cretic. My first trip as 2nd refrig then I went back into the engine room as 4th. I was also on the Corinthic Waipawa and Aramaric. Ray BlackleyPosted on 22/09/2012 at 21:30:13

All of these articles have saved me a lot of heaadches.Posted on 05/10/2012 at 09:36:06

Hi I joined Northern Star for voyages 5,6,7,and 8 as an apprentice engineer followed by a trip on the Afric. After finishing my apprenticship I did 4 trips on the Ceramic, which I believe was the best of the SSA fleet at that time (early 60's) Daddy Brew was the Chief on Northern Star when I joined. I settled in NZ in 1966 and reading the above brought back a lot of fond memories. Note; I joined the Afric in Hamborg to sail back to the UK while she was still being rrepaired from the collision in the Elb. Genny watches were not fun in the middle of winter with the side of the ship open.Posted on 13/10/2012 at 00:48:25

I sailed on the Cross for 10 trips then sent to the Suvic for a good few more finally finishedup in OZ. They were gret day's. It is quite interesting when we have the SSA Reunion in NZ every couple of years, some old stories come out.There was a group in Oz trying to buy the Cross just before she was sent to to scraped. I have manged to meet up with about seven guy's I sailed with some in UK.Oz, NZ. USA interesting where life took them. Cheers Posted on 26/10/2012 at 09:13:58

Don't recognise any names of submitters. My first trip was on the Coptic, in 1961, as 3rd lecky. I still remember some of those aboard that trip. Deverel, chief, Pinces 2nd, Hourston 3rd. Bob Crawford Chief fridge. Butcher brown 2nd Fridge. John Gormley Chief lecky Duncan Macdonald 2nd Lecky and me, Bob Little 3rd. There were quite a few of us Jocks aboard as juniors. John Sievewright, Charlie White and Fred Dunn were three of them. It was an interesting voyage: Christmas Island in the Pacific, Samoa, Fiji and KIWI the ports. I later did trips on the Suvic and Weiwera. Went back to Chrismas Island on a cruise recently. Of course, the Army installation has gone, but there's a few islanders scratching a living. Some insanitary smells pervaded as behind trees seemed to be the toilets. The coral sand football pitch is still there. Posted on 26/11/2012 at 16:10:30

Just noticed that Trevor Cowland has popped up in Melbourne. I was with him on the Zealandic .I recall that we were both so hungry that we went ashore for a meal of steak with all the trimmings. When we had finished it we ordered a repeat and polished that off as well. I can also recall that we would sit on the aft deck at night in the Southern Pacific and watch the satellites go over . I still belong to the Shaw Savill Society and bump in to old shipmates at their do's. I have stayed with Wally Watson several times in Scotland. I was also on the Waiwera and have yet to get the grease out from under my fingernails. Stuart DobsonPosted on 06/12/2012 at 22:47:16

Hi. Anyone out there who sailed on the wairangi in 63 ? Ernie ab. Great daysPosted on 14/12/2012 at 20:20:06

Left the DORIC in Sydney in 1955, served as steward. QLD home BBPosted on 15/12/2012 at 01:12:09

Would be interested to hear from anyone who was on theAthenic or Corinthic when they were laid up in the River Blackwater presumably befoe scrapping http://www.merseamuseum.org.uk/mmshipping.php Any dates photos or anecdotes would be inetesting on these or other Shaw savill ships laid up here eg Suevic, Gothic, Iberic, Doric E-mail Ian Clarke clarke.mersea@btinternet.comPosted on 07/01/2013 at 15:29:29

Anyone remember Glyn Hubert Williams from Holyhead ? hhd4741@gmail.comPosted on 13/01/2013 at 07:35:45

This is great webpage ~ so interesting to read all your memories of Shaw Savill ~ and opportunity to contact old ship mates. As one or two have mentioned ~ the Shaw Savill Society is alive and well after over 20 years, and in UK ~ they have Reunion every year, here in NZ ~ where we have about 30 Aust members and 80 NZ members, we have reunion every two years. Last one was Picton 2012, and next one is Hamilton, April 2014 ~ where we spend a weekend reminiscing, and swinging the lantern. Love to have you aboard, if not already a member, please contact me at jamies@paradise.net.nz ( ex Asst Purser, Southern Cross, Northern Star and Arawa 1967-1973)Posted on 14/01/2013 at 22:05:50

This is great webpage ~ so interesting to read all your memories of Shaw Savill ~ and opportunity to contact old ship mates. As one or two have mentioned ~ the Shaw Savill Society is alive and well after over 20 years, and in UK ~ they have Reunion every year, here in NZ ~ where we have about 30 Aust members and 80 NZ members, we have reunion every two years. Last one was Picton 2012, and next one is Hamilton, April 2014 ~ where we spend a weekend reminiscing, and swinging the lantern. Love to have you aboard, if not already a member, please contact me at jamies@paradise.net.nz ( ex Asst Purser, Southern Cross, Northern Star and Arawa 1967-1973)Posted on 14/01/2013 at 22:09:18

I served nearly six years in "Athenic" first as Purser's writer and later as Purser during which we visited many N.Z.ports including Napier,Lyttelton,Timaru, Port Chalmers and The Bluff. My least attractive memory of these years is Working By in the Royal Albert and KGV docks where the nearest usable lavatory was at Plaistow Staion or perhaps one of the Nth Woolwich pubs. In winter it was a severe test. One man I sailed with was Eric Scales and I have often wonder what happened to him. David Green.Posted on 14/01/2013 at 22:31:29

Re Ernie and Wairangi 1963. Was 3rd Mate when she went aground off Stockholm, Derek Aberdeen was Master, heard that he recently passed away. If I remember rightly the bosu'n was a short Irish -scouse. Happy couple of trips on charter to Johnson line of Sweden on the South American run, new adventures for SSA ships. Left SSA in 68, now in Picton NZ. Cheers to all old mates JDH Posted on 14/01/2013 at 23:28:58

I was on the Gothic August 1967 and also the Cretic before that. Worked by the Zealandic off southend Pier for a few weeks too. My Father was also a sparkie on the Iberic. best regards Glenn BakerPosted on 14/01/2013 at 23:30:19

This is a terrific site bringing back many memories me in my twilight years!. I joined Shaw Savill in June 1950 as a leckie, doing two voyages on the Dominion Monarch, watchkeeping with the Engineers, as she carried seven leckies. I then did voyages on the Wairangi, Taranaki, and The Royal Yacht Gothic as 2nd Elect.for the Royal Commonwealth Tour of 1953/54. Despite that we carried four leckies, it was a very busy trip for us as in addtion to our normal electrical maintenance, we showed films to The Royal Party, RN Personnel, and our MN Crew each twice weekly. But all this was outweighed by meeting the Royal Party many times, and all the Royal Household people aboard. The voyage lasted five months, visiting Jamaica, Panama,Tonga,Fiji, New Zealand, Australia,Cocos Keeling Islands,Ceylon ( now called Sri Lanka ), we then met up wth the newky built Royal Yacht Britannia at Valetta, Malta, to transfer luggage, then heading for our home port after a very interesting & historic voyage by a Merchant Navy vessel. Instead of standing by the refurbishment at the Cammell Laird Shipyard I did a voyage on Waiwera, then was promoted to Ist Elect. in 1955, of the Suevic. I was so pleased on arrival aboard this vessel to find that two of the Elects who served with me on Gothic were my 2nd & 3rd Elects, John Parker & Eric Robertson. Following this voyage I joined the BritishPhosphate Commission ship Triaster, later served as 1st Elect. during many voyages to Nauru & Ocean Islands from Melbourne Australia, eventually came ashore in 1959, settling in Melbourne. Would love to here form any old shipmates. My email is :- terence.williams01@bigpond.com Regards to all Mariners & smooth sailing with fair winds in 2013. Terence Williams. R538301. Posted on 15/01/2013 at 06:04:45

Does anyone remember a 2nd officer ships engineer John Mushet on the ship southern cross 1959 please contact me on debbie60hart@hotmail.co.uk thanksPosted on 17/01/2013 at 17:47:57

My Father, Ben Bloxham worked for Shaw Savill as second officer on cargo ships travelling to NewZealand and Australia ,it was always a delight to receive his correspondence from these exotic places ,for a young boy they certainly were .thanks for all your stories and accounts noted here on this website .Posted on 10/02/2013 at 07:14:38

Very interesting reading from the people who worked for SA&A. I joined in1969 doing coastal work around the U/K and Europe on the Iberic,Zealandic,Gothic,Icenic,Akaroa, Canopic and others,later joined the Aleric on charter to SAF Marine on the South African routes as a 2nd Electrical Engineer. Had a fantastic time,made many friends until the wife dragged me back home.Sorry to see that all the ships have now gone. David Woodburn.Posted on 11/02/2013 at 11:33:35

HI When i had completed my training on the Vindicatrix, I joined the M.V. ALARIC in the 1964 as a gally boy and had a lucky trip as we went all around the globe, As this was my first trip in the merchant Navy i was suprised how young most of the crew were,after a short trip to roterdam we then went deep sea and eventialy visiter amoung other places New Zealand and went around the coast of Australia and then up through the Read Sea through the sueze cannal into the med and then Home, A Great Experience I met some great people and only wish we had kept in touch Paul Alexander Posted on 15/02/2013 at 08:18:29

I was a passgr in '56 Liverpool to Auckland in a SSA old tub that was carrying the last parts of the Auckland Bridge. sorry cant remember her name , but it was her last trip before scrapping. Can anybody out there help an oldie. Mike with thanksPosted on 15/02/2013 at 08:23:21

I joined t he zealandic in hull and sailed on her from 65 to 66 Ihad great time thought it was the best company I ever sailed with.Posted on 18/02/2013 at 13:34:18

Mar26 Thanks again Jo, for sharing your leaernd lessons! Especially the Don't give up'. My new business is on te market for 2 weeks now, we also had a very fast start and working so hard to keep up and are finetuning every day. It gives me trust and assurance to read that this is part of the experience and that you learn so much along the way. So we will not give up!Posted on 16/03/2013 at 10:32:32

I was Marconi sparkie on the Delphic from Oct 69 to Feb 71, she went to scrap on the next trip. I remember the Delphic as a very happy ship, but then she was on a good run. I did two trips to NZ and one to Oz. As you may recall, we sparkies didn't work in port, some might say we didn't work at all, but they are just being cynical. The bar had been made from two adjoining cabins, I think they had been the cattlemans and horse grooms cabins. My contribution was to have a record player 'piped' into the bar. She was such a good ship that I remember quite a few names, I think. The leckies were Jim Giluiley, Dennis Chapman and Alan Thorburn. Fridge eng was Arthur McGuire. There was Watty Haig and Dennis Philips. Geoff Ahern, I think was 1st tripper in 69. Stan Wheeler was Chief Steward. On my last voyage, Stan was retiring and his wife was with him for that voyage. On the nav side, there was Cpt McEwan, Bill Strevens, Bob Joughin, Norman Sadd, Mike Bullock, Mike Smith. Apologies for those I have missed out, but I still remember the faces. If nothing els, I hope this entrance will trigger, "I wonder where they are now" Peter Arnold (on the Wirral)Posted on 27/03/2013 at 15:55:57

My Dad joined the Coptic in 1962 John Duncan Gillies 18.05.1940-23.02.2006 He was an engineer I have all his merchant navy passport docs and a couple of pictures of him in the engine room. He owned a slide camera there are many slides taken from his travels, Fiji, Panama Canal and pics of the greek ruins and Venice I think.Posted on 29/03/2013 at 00:30:50

Hi joined Shaw savill as a cadet. Portsmouth andnthen 12 months at sea, followed by South Shileds. My favorite was the Edward Stevinson. Andy Nixon Posted on 31/03/2013 at 08:56:57

Posted on 14/04/2013 at 14:35:48

Hi sailed Cretic 1962/3. Great ship. Good feeder.Posted on 14/04/2013 at 14:38:38

Hi sailed Cretic 1962/3. Great ship. Good feeder.Posted on 14/04/2013 at 14:38:49

Hi, Joined Northern Star as A/S in 1966 until 1967. Joined Southern Cross as BRS1967 then back to the Star 19o68. Returned to the Cross in 1969 as Assistant storekeeper till 1979 when joined Majestic as 2wnd Steward.On Majestic till 1972 when joined Ceramic taking her to the scrap yard in Belgium in June that year. Then took Home trade runs on Cymric and Megantic, worked by on the Iberic and Icenic finishing in SSA December 1972. Bill BethellPosted on 27/04/2013 at 17:43:02

sailedon mv cedri carnatic wsueviciarangicaramea domin iff f 1956ronchsuevic junior eng to 2nd eng from 1956 to 1963 DONPosted on 24/05/2013 at 16:03:08

Hi there, is there anyone out there who sailed on the Northern Start in late October 1993 from UK to NZ via Sydney. I have such good memories. I was 18yo then and immigrating but now live in Australia. Bev ParrottPosted on 28/05/2013 at 11:34:08

Hi.. I am trying to find the whereabouts of a Seaman by the name of Peter Harvey who sailed on the Megantic 1970-1971 and was in the Port of Timaru, New Zealand.. Would be grateful of any information that anyone may be able to give me.. Sharon Jester.. sharoz@snap.net.nzPosted on 05/06/2013 at 04:34:50

Sailed on many Shaw Savill ships in 60/70s as AB/Bosun best time ever. Retired in 2008 after 44 years at sea. Regards to all' Barry RobinsPosted on 16/06/2013 at 12:09:22

I worked o/b selling shore tour s on "Ocean Monarch" 1972. Chief Eng. was Ben Shepherd.Roy Clark/Roy Turnbull as Pursers. Whilst being such fun ship and so grand and beautiful she gave the crew a lot of headaches.I later sailed with Sitmar Cruises Miami as Purser until round 1977 and whilst in port visited Carnival Cruises ship called "carnival Queen". I''"felt strangely 'at home' only to learn she was the sister ship to Ocean Monarch. Lovely memories. jenny.edwell@bigpond.com.auPosted on 22/06/2013 at 06:26:21

Did anyone know a guy who worked on the Ceramic (2) by the name of "Jimmy Preston". He may have been a steward on this ship and was in Auckland, New Zealand in the mid 50's. You can email me at; graeme.t@hotmail.comPosted on 30/06/2013 at 07:59:51

Did anyone know a guy who worked on the Ceramic (2) by the name of "Jimmy Preston". He may have been a steward on this ship and was in Auckland, New Zealand in the mid 50's. You can email me at; graeme.t@hotmail.comPosted on 30/06/2013 at 08:37:41

I started with shaw savill in September 1966 as a leccy and my first job was as a relief on the waiwera in london's Albert dock after this I ended up as the 5th leccy on the southern cross daveThompson was the chief leccy at that time most enjoyable time of my working life but I got married at the end of my one and only trip I often regret not carrying on but that's life. Colin sim Friends that also sailed with shaw savill that people might know are Bill & Mick McGlenPosted on 30/06/2013 at 10:54:02

I finished my Shaw Savill time when i left the Waiwera in 1964. She had a dirty engineroom: the then 1st Lecky was not the cleaning kind. The new generator which replaced the one that blew up in Harland & Wolfs, Belfast, and fitted there, wasn't cleaned in 5 months. I got married, joined the Met Police. I did a couple of years on the beat and met a Kiwi SS&A engineer called Tommy Hoy, who was living in Ilford whilst doing his Chief's ticket. From Ilford High Road you can hear ships maneuvering in the Thames. I found this disconcerting; the call was great and i returned to sea in 1967, with Clan Line. I finished my seagoing days in 1989. For the previous 19 years i had worked on ferries, with both Townsend Thoresen and P&O. I owned a pub in Dumfries from 1989 until 1996. Since retiring from pub life with my industrial, engine-room-induced tinnitus exacerbated by loud rock bands, i have written two humorous books, which readers of this might care to have a look at on AUTHARIUM, the online publisher's site. Google Autharium, click ebooks, search for The life of Riley and his "Troubles", which is set in Northern Ireland. The Jock Connection on the trail of Billy Bagman the Colostomy Comic, set in the Met Police. Clicking on the cover of the books reveals a synopsis and the opportunity to read the first chapters free. The books are available to download from various sites, at about £2, but Autharium only takes 5% because I donate all earnings from the paperback versions to an ovarian cancer charity and most of what i receive from downloads after VAT and other sites exorbitant charges. Posted on 04/07/2013 at 19:44:29

A most interesting web-site. I would particularly like to learn more from the author of "Troubles" and "Billy Bagman" as I am sure our paths must have crossed several times. I joined SSA in 1950 as 10th Engineer for my first trip to sea and learnt a lot. I left them in 1954 and joined UBC and finally joined Townsend Car Ferries in 1970 where I remained until my retirement in 1988. I certainly intend to look up AUTHARIUM in the next few days and will obtain the books mentioned. I know most of the ships mentioned in the various posts but invariably they are after my time. Whilst in SSA I was on the Karamea, the DM and the Doric and stood by ships too numerous to mention. I sailed in all of UBC's then existing fleet and finally on nearly everything that Townsend /P&O Ferries could throw at me. I can't help being thankful for having met so many great people in my lifetime of working at sea. Posted on 04/08/2013 at 06:44:05

Hi Peter I sailed on the Delphic a few years and remember you and all the names you mentioned as you say she was a great ship as engineer the doxfords were great have great memories working on water leaks in the crank case,live now in NZ contact e-mail dphillips@actrix.gen.nz would love to hear from any one who remembers ---Dennis PhillipsPosted on 09/08/2013 at 08:39:50

Anyone got a photo of Afric..I joined her in Bremerhaven on her maiden voyage as 6 th Engineer. ThanksPosted on 14/08/2013 at 22:26:53

I joined SSA in 1974 as a lekkie working by in KGV on the Durango and then did the last 2 voyages on her with Dave Thompson as 1st lekkie then went to the Iberic, and other I boats including a Medi cruise on the Illyric in 1976 from Piraeus to Genoa . Then did a trip on the Megantic before re-joining the Iberic which was renamed Deseado and back on the BA run for a year or so finished up on the Zealandic and Laurentic on the Kenosha Gulfport run finally ending in Durban SA where the Laurentic was sold to the greeks. Last job fitting out the Dunedin on Tyneside. Went ashore after that took some time to settle but now married for 30 years and a granddad. Colin Davies (womble) email colin.davies07@hotmail.co.uk love to her from anybody who remembers me.Posted on 20/08/2013 at 10:27:26

Anyone who sailed and worked on the "Ceramic" which was owned by SSA and sailed from Liverpool to Auckland, New Zealand in the early to mid 1950"s. I am looking for a "Jimmy Preston" who was possibly a steward on this ship, aged around 22 years in 1956. Jimmy may have also been his middle name. Please contact graeme.t@hotmail.comPosted on 28/08/2013 at 10:18:54

Anyone who sailed and worked on the "Ceramic" which was owned by SSA and sailed from Liverpool to Auckland, New Zealand in the early to mid 1950"s. I am looking for a "Jimmy Preston" who was possibly a steward on this ship, aged around 22 years in 1956. Jimmy may have also been his middle name. Please contact graeme.t@hotmail.comPosted on 28/08/2013 at 10:40:03

Hi is there anyone out there worked on the Northern star in 1971- 1974? I worked in the restaurant as a stewardess. I was Anne Goldstein then.Posted on 31/08/2013 at 18:49:24

Jenny Edwell (22.06.2013) mentions Chief Engineer Ben Shepherd. I sailed with him for a few voyages as 4th Engineer in MV Medic 1966 to 1969. 2nd Engineer was Denis Brosnan, 3rd Engineer was Don Yates. Chief Lecky was Michael Sparrow.Would be nice to catch up with some of those guys. Paul Averis (Paul.Averis@riotinto.com) Perth, Western Australia.Posted on 04/09/2013 at 00:38:49

Hi sailed on the PERSIC from sep 63 to jan 64 J Liverpool Posted on 04/09/2013 at 18:53:08

To all EX Shaw Savill lads from the good old days of the 50s 60 & 70s There is a fantastic book written by an Ex Deckhand on SS&A who was on the Afric & describes both the collisions on the Elbe & many other humourous stories of life in the Merchant Navy, many aboard Shaw Savill ships. The book is called "AHOY THERE" By Jack Smith & can be ordered through Amazon also available on KINDLE An Excellent read. Brixtonboy 1939 @ yahoo.comPosted on 06/09/2013 at 03:42:48

Having read Jack Smiths book AHOY THERE, I really enjoyed the book, stories that were told, and brought back special memories, as I had friends on the Persic and that was a story in the book. Looking forward to more stories Jack, Jenny at Aljen.tees@xtra.co.nzPosted on 07/09/2013 at 06:45:58

To 6th Engineer on Afric Maiden Voyage. Posted on14-8-2013 There' a good photo of "Afric" in Jack Smith's book "Ahoy There" Google Jack Smith NZ. or Kindle. Brixtonboy1939@yahoo.comPosted on 08/09/2013 at 01:21:24

For all Old Salts Of Shaw Savill Line @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ For Jack Smith's Book "Ahoy There" Google Jack Smith "Ahoy There" NZ Brixtonboy 1939@yahoo.com Posted on 10/09/2013 at 03:01:01

hi Peter and Dennis I too served on the tsmv Delphic from oct 69 till Sept 70 . my name is John scarry but was called Barry or Harry . remember the Christmas decorations made from can spammers . a lot of good memories.Posted on 14/09/2013 at 20:03:28

Hi lads, l sailed on the lBERIC in 1966, jan to july, great trip, gud crowd @ gud food. guys ashore talk about going on the beer ! ha! they make me laugh, reguards. Ernie. AB Posted on 14/09/2013 at 22:54:47

HI LADS,JOINED THE MV AMALRIC IN NAPIER 2ND FRIDG4-8-61 UNTIL 9-10-62 PETE MICHEL THE 3RD WALLY THE 2ND MAC THE 4TH DAVE FINISON CHIEF FRIDG IAN FRASER 1ST ELECT. BEFORE JOINING THE PERSIC IN NEWPLYMOUTH.THAT WAS 29-10-62-6-1-63 CLEM ODONAHUE , SANDY LYLE 2ND ENG. RELEAVED ARROUND THE COAST ON THE ICENIC,BEFORE JOINING THE SOUTHERN CROSS FOR VOY 33.1-3-63 -20-5-63RELEAVED ON THE TARANAKI BEFORE HER LAST TRIP TO THE BREAKERS.JOINED THE CRETIC FROM 20-8-63-9-2-64 JOHN DAVIES WAS A ELEC WHO I THINK WAS CALLED BONNY LAD? FINAL VOY WAS SUPER NUMERY ON THE MEGANTIC BACK TO NEW ZEALAND GREAT MEMORIES BUT DONT SEEM TO BE ABLE TO CONTACT ANY OLD SHIPMATES.CHEERS TREVOR DAVISPosted on 24/09/2013 at 09:41:08

Joined Shaw savill 1969 sailed on Akaroa voyages 4,5,6,7 Cymric, Ceramic, jumped Ceramic in Wellington Dec 1971 been living in Auckland since then thanks to Mr David Lange (Solicitor) who was the Prime Minister for New Zealand 1984-1987. I had a great time at sea going through the ranks of Commi waiter, Deck boy, JOS, and EDH all the best to all old ship mates take care Ian MageePosted on 24/09/2013 at 10:54:16

Hello to all the ex S.S. and A personnel out there. As an ex Royal Mailer, can any of you fill me in on the fire that, I am told, took place on the AKAROA (ex Royal Mail, AMAZON) What caused it , where it was, what damage was done etc. I did the first three voyages on her when she was AMAZON.I can't believe that AKAROA and her three sisters, were converted to carrying cars before meeting up with the cutting torch!!. Many thanks in advance for any info. ncm184@btinternet.comPosted on 24/09/2013 at 12:16:08

This website is so exciting my dad was the head chef on the athenic. So reading all this has brought so many memories and especially since today is his birthdayPosted on 26/09/2013 at 10:45:16

Happy birthday to your Dad from John Davies. My story started this web page in 2009. I am over the moon with the response. We were seamen in the golden days before containers took over, Being paid to travel the world was a great experience. I must send a note to Trevor Davis next following his note dated 24/09/2013. Posted on 26/09/2013 at 21:39:57

Hi all, my dad Gerry Holmes sailed with SS and A between 1957 and 63/64. Just sorting out some paperwork for him and I'm trying to find out the companies office address during that period. If anyone knows I'd be really grateful if you could let me know here please. Many thanks Simon HolmesPosted on 27/09/2013 at 15:38:02

Hello Simon, I served with SS&A between 1963-'67, the main London office was in Leadenhall Street covering a number of buildings, I think the numbers were 53 to 56, the London district was EC3. All of our mail had to be sent to this address, the company then redirected the mail to the next port of call for each ship. I had my interview at the SS&A office on the south side of the Royal Albert Dock, the London district I think was E16. The company's Superintendants that cotrolled the Officers that manned each ship and the maintenance/repairs of each ship were based there. This office was located at the eastern end tip of the 149 metre strip of land inbetween the Royal Albert Dock and King Geoge V Dock. The office was demolished in the 1980's when London City Airport was constucted. The runway occupies the centre strip between the two docks. John Davies. Posted on 28/09/2013 at 18:33:28

does anybody remember roger tilley Posted on 29/09/2013 at 17:22:57

Hi salty sea dogs. Joined the Amalric in Tilbury 1972 aged 15 years and 9 months as deck boy. Scared to death the first few weeks as we encountered hurricane lotti in the Caribbean. But stuck it out and had the best time of my life. I then went onto the Megantic Icenic Illyric Ionic Iberic. Medic Laurentic Zealandic Deseado Cairn Freighter Elstree Grange Abbey. Some crap little collier from Holder brothers. A crap Gaz ocean gas tanker from Holder brothers. A crap PSNC job. As you can tell I was a true Shaw Savill fusaleer. My crew mates were Selwyn McFroggit Tommy Marshall John Lewis Hugie Mc Govern. Brains Loopy Loo Tick Tock FUB Basher and many more nut cases. All the best to the many fusaleers still out there. From RHUBARBPosted on 30/09/2013 at 23:44:15

Regarding the details that I posted 28/09/13 about SS&A's London dock office, I should have stated that the strip of land in between the Royal Albert Dock and K.G V Dock was 149 metres "wide". J.D. Posted on 01/10/2013 at 00:04:31

Hi John, thanks a lot for the info and for the details. My dad smiled as he read it remembering how he recognised it as he landed at city airport some years back. It was the first time I'd heard the story though and great to know. Thanks again for the info from both of us. Kind regards, SimonPosted on 01/10/2013 at 12:38:15

Hi RHUBARB, it was great reading the details of your time' with SS&A plus 'others'. I battle at putting my thoughts into enjoyable reading. I apologise for butt in following your great addition. J.D. Posted on 03/10/2013 at 00:24:36

Helo , I joined SS@A in April or May 1969,I think I was interviewed by Fred Sibley anyone remember him? Ijoined as 3 rd electrician. My first ship was the Gothic as standby in Royal Albert Dock. This was just before she sailed to Taiwan to be broken up and Iwell remember the burnt out accomodation. Then did standby in Ionic Iwas in line waiting to sign on for deepsea when I was told I had to join the Cretic. Was on the Cretic for about 19 months. First trip was to N.Z and Med. Second trip was N.Z then West coast South America and Carribean did this about four times. Left Cretic in N.Z and came home on thr Canopic . Joined Majestic in Pireaus then to Oddessa in the Black Sea. From Oddessa to Malta to drop off Davy Paxmann engineer then all the way to N.Z After the coastal sailed to East coast of the States . Finished discharge in Montreal then to Tilbury and paid off. In Montreal the Chief Engineer died, Icnnot remember his last name but we all called him San the Man, Great times and happy memories. Don Lloyd.Posted on 04/10/2013 at 12:41:31

Re the above post it should read Stan the Man I Think he lived in Geelong, Australia . Regards, Don Lloyd.Posted on 04/10/2013 at 12:47:28

hi enjoyed reading fhis bit of merchant naval history, I served on that tragic trip, when the GOTHIC caught fire with a lose of seven lives. It was my first trip after leaving the training collage in Gravesend.I had great time a time I miss,the crew were a good bunch taught me lots looked after me like a son good days indeed.If only we could fine the same comradery these days.If any of that crew are still with us then i ll use this site to say THANKS you taught me well, to this day i attend the yearly bike ride to the wall proudly flying the RED DUSTER.Posted on 06/10/2013 at 21:24:47

Hi John, My email is firemanfred02@optusnet.com.au Looking forward to hearing from you Trevor DavisPosted on 07/10/2013 at 09:12:21

i sailed on the icenic in 1966 as a engineer it was a nice ship the captain was jock aberdeen a nice man imeet my wife on it i served my time in greenock scotland john g kincaids and i knew the engine well i also done all the sea trials on most of the clan line ships built by scotts of greenck my father was an engineer and spent 50 years with kincaids my name is peter kershaw Posted on 09/10/2013 at 00:52:23

i sailed on the icenic in 1966 as a engineer it was a nice ship the captain was jock aberdeen a nice man imeet my wife on it i served my time in greenock scotland john g kincaids and i knew the engine well i also done all the sea trials on most of the clan line ships built by scotts of greenck my father was an engineer and spent 50 years with kincaids my name is peter kershaw Posted on 09/10/2013 at 00:52:39

Hi Stuart Dobson, give my regards to Wally Watson and others who sailed on the Zealandic in 1969, there are a lot of others I would love to hear from so I foward my email address cowlandtrevor@yahoo.com Regards to all Ex SSA Engineers & Officers, and Crew. Still miss the main engines and their breakdowns, and the comradeship to get them working again as a team was excellent leadership shown by all. Trevor CowlandPosted on 15/10/2013 at 07:07:02

Mike Fielding(ex Engineer) describes a New Year in Hamburg on the Afric and a collision in the Elbe. In fact that voyage we had two collisions! We left London to load Hamburg/Rotterdam for NZ in early Dec 1963. Thick fog approaching the entrance to the Elbe and collided with a oil tanker. We struck her starboard quarter but all damage above waterline and thankfully no injuries on either ship and she proceeded to Wilhelmshaven for repairs. Afric had slight damage to bow and we continued to Hamburg. After inspection ruled seaworthy and loading commenced. The Master ( Capt Welch) declared we would not proceed to Rotterdam until a clear day dawned. This duly occurred and we proceeded downriver in the morning. About 10.30 thick fog carpeted the river near Schaulau. At a bend on the river a Norwegian bulk carrier came out of the fog and across the river and struck Afric amidships.As I was on the bridge had clear view of what was going to occur and aftermath.Both ships suffered severe damage and unable to go to sea.We returned to Deutche Werft at Finkenwerder for repair. Had a great Xmas/New year and pehaps Mike remembers those parties with the German girls! We were of the opinion the German yard workers were much too efficient!! Sailed light ship to NZ and loaded wool in Bluff and Wellington for Continent/UK ports. Capt Welch never went deep sea again and both collisions could be described as "radar assisted". Alastair Anderson 4th Mate Afric Posted on 15/10/2013 at 11:43:52

Shaw Savill main London office was at 88 Leadenhall St London EC3. Alastair Anderson Posted on 15/10/2013 at 11:51:39

David Gallacher here, I sailed on the Waiwera 1961 - 1962 as 3rd Lecky. This was my first ship on completion of my apprenticeshop with Scotts S&E Co Greenock. This was a new life to me and on the Waiwera that's where I really learned my trade. The chief Lecky was Peter Dent from near Cardiff and the 2nd. was also a taffy.It was hard work with oil entering the lighting on the flats of the engine room which I had to clean every morning the one job I hated but it transformed me into becoming an excellent tradesman. I moved to the Doric because the 2nd lecky wouldn't move this preventing me getting promotion. would love to hear from anyone who was ex Waiwera Seaman Posted on 16/10/2013 at 11:02:46

My dad was an a.b. on the "Dominion Monarch in the early 50s . his name was Alastair Stuart. Does anybody remember him he was on a few deep sea ships when younger. But spent the rest of his life on ships here in ukPosted on 19/10/2013 at 14:39:31

hi Duncan lambert I sailed on ceramic with my best mate ricky tindal September 1966 great times after al those years stil mates he is in aussie now been out t0 visit him a few times after al those years we hav not forgotten our time with shaw sav on the kiwi coast memories god bless you old shipmates 21 10 2013 Posted on 21/10/2013 at 03:05:43

Gidday to all seafaring men and women,my brother Kevin Smailes was at sea on the ssAthenic1969/70 and when in nz(Napier) he jumped ship and got himself up to the big city of Auckland where he was eventually collared by mr. plod and thrown in the lock-up for a while until he was sent home d.b.s.on one of the company ships of which name I can't remember!He now resides in county durham and is retired,so does anyone remember himat all?I myself sailed with b.i.s.n.co as a an engineer and now am resident in Hastings New Zealand for the last 38 years!!!!!!!!Posted on 24/10/2013 at 06:03:20

Ian Wilkinson, Engineer from early 1967 to 1972. Waipawa, Aramaic and Iberic Deep sea, starting as Junior and finishing up 3rd So many happy memories of great times and good friends. A 10 month double header on the Iberic was a stand out trip doing Liverpool to Kiwi, Mexico and, East coast US,, Montreal, Kiwi again then Bluff to Beirut, Several more Medi ports, the near continent then London Royal Docks. .Never to be forgotten !!!!. Posted on 25/10/2013 at 15:07:27

Very interesting posts and original story. I was a Deck Cadet with Shaw Savill 1976-79. Sailed on Medic, Tropic and Mayfield. The Medic was built at Swan Hunters and the Chief Engineer a Geordie I seem to remember. A beautiful ship. Unforgettable days and experience - never been beaten. I'm originally from Whitehaven, now living in Southampton. Paul Marshall.Posted on 30/10/2013 at 20:30:24

Hi to all old s/cross engineers.does any one recall the air compressor,on the boat deck that supplied air for th organ recitals.As a new lad,I was shown how to slow down the comp flywheel,whilst watching the organist.A spy hole on the bulkhead,would show the organist,battling With pressure drop.I just couldn't stop laughing my headached.? Cheers Trevor Davis. 2nd refrig voy 33 March 1963Posted on 04/11/2013 at 05:37:42

The above comments have brought back some great memories!! I joined SSA in 1964 until 1969 when I left to join Overseas Containers. I sailed on Carnatic as 3rd Lecky (Many thanks here to 2nd Lecky Billy Kennedy and Chief Fridge "Lash") Aramaic Zealandic Majestic etc as 1st. Also did a summer season on the Northern Star as Chief Lecky. Proved that you can exist on a couple of hours sleep and still do a good days work!! Happiest days of my working life. Bob macey "AAFM"!!Posted on 05/11/2013 at 14:05:13

Slow Starvation & Agony how we all miss it. Nice to see so many of us are still around. Bob Macey I was with you on the Zealandic 1968-9 I am it touch with John (Muttonbird) Bradshaw in NZ and he was asking if I had heard of you. Best wishes to all former shipmates. Bill Morrison 4th Eng.Posted on 07/11/2013 at 21:26:34

Hi Bill, Great to hear from you. My cabin was next to "Muttonbirds"!!! Great shipmate. The Zealandic was a lovely ship as I recall. I remember the Electrical Supers. Jock Hastie was the Supremo!! He wasn't the most cheerful of people. My e-mail is rmaceymacey7@googlemail.comPosted on 12/11/2013 at 10:43:54

I joined the Ceramic on the 22/41966 as 9th Engr and sailed on the 26th with passengers. To say it was a cultural shock would be a understatement. I was allocated the port boiler and the port tunnel shaft as my spheres of responsibility. I transferred after 3 trips to the SS Athenic as 6th engr and sailed 23 July1967. I sailed consecutive round trips to NZ and Australia and left as 3rd engr on 3rd March1969. On reflection the best and the hardest days of my working life. David Parkinson Posted on 14/11/2013 at 20:14:01

bloody great site well done to you all.ps where can i get four bells rum.Posted on 17/11/2013 at 18:30:35

I was 3 when we went on SS Orontes from UK to Australia and returned on the Southern Cross in 1962. I still have a coat hanger plus plenty of old cine film now on vhs video Posted on 19/11/2013 at 17:24:05

Hello David Gallacher, following your appeal 16/10/13 to hear from WAIWERA seamen. My digital story started this web page. By clicking on the triangle in the centre of the CRETIC photograph at the start of this site, my digital story runs with a few photographs phased in and concludes with a photo taken in the WAIWERA's 2nd Lecky's cabin. During my four and a half years with SS&A from Feb 1963 to Sept 1967 I did eight deep sea voyages, two on the CRETIC as 3rd Lecky from 16/04/63 to 09/02/64, one on the WAIWERA as 2nd from 04/03/64 to 28/06/64, two on the ICENIC as 2nd from 24/07/64 to 01/06/65, one on the DORIC as 1st from 23/07/65 to 14/02/66 and two on the WAIWERA as 1st from 04/04/66 to 18/06/67. I stood by the WAIWERA at Wallsend until I left the company in Sept 1967. On my first trip on the WAIWERA, Angus from NZ was 1st Lecky, Andy James was 3rd Lecky, I would love to get back in tough with Andy, we were great mates. Homeward bound on that voyage from NZ, Hamish the 2nd Engineer was checking the tightness of a con rod nut on a bottom exhaust piston yoke when some of his fingers were crushed between the top of the nut and the main piston cooling jacket, the impact broke the cast iron jacket. After being anaesthetised with Gin, Jake the 9th Engineer (a Kiwi with a St John's certificate) amputated the fingers and sewed the skin around the stumps. Our Radio Officer located a doctor on board the CERAMIC, she was also heading east bound for Pitcairn Island. We arranged to meet six days later. It was decided that we should cut 2" off the con rod that had crushed Hamish's fingers. It took 17 hours using a 12" hacksaw. When we replaced the nut and started to turn it, the con rod also turned which should have been impossible being attached to the crankshaft. We then realised that the con rod had been cut, drilled and tapped and had an additional length of rod fitted. When we screwed the additional length home, the con rod was 2" short but with the depth of the nut, the rod was still secure. The Storekeeper and Donkeyman fitted a tube between an engine room supply fan duct to the damaged main piston cooling jacket, the other duct outlets from that fan were closed and the fuel injector went back into operation. At Pitcairn we lowered Hamish over the side in a bosun's chair, the islanders rowed him over to the CERAMIC. It was a memorable day meeting some of the descendants from the BOUNTY. They spoke in broken English and their feet were very large. Some of us did some trading, I came away with some postage stamps and a couple of lovely wood carvings. I hope our shipmates don't find too many errors in these recollections. I will post some details of my last two eventful voyages on the WAIWERA later. John Davies Posted on 19/11/2013 at 19:14:01

re story on afric and its two Collins in Germany I was capt welchs steward I was with him 6 years on the old afric it loved rolling in certain weather any other stewards still about do leave contact info Posted on 29/11/2013 at 20:44:13

re story on afric and its two Collins in Germany I was capt welchs steward I was with him 6 years on the old afric it loved rolling in certain weather any other stewards still about do leave contact info Posted on 29/11/2013 at 20:44:16

re story on afric and its two Collins in Germany I was capt welchs steward I was with him 6 years on the old afric it loved rolling in certain weather any other stewards still about do leave contact info Posted on 29/11/2013 at 20:44:18

re story on afric and its two Collins in Germany I was capt welchs steward I was with him 6 years on the old afric it loved rolling in certain weather any other stewards still about do leave contact info Posted on 29/11/2013 at 20:44:18

Served on delphic1963-64, Great buch of lads in those days, Remember Charlie ramscar arfrom Leyton in London, also c. Waddle and M.bathgate from s. Shields Hope you are all keeping well Geordie. Pete now lives in stoke.Posted on 02/12/2013 at 15:45:58

Served on delphic1963-64, Great buch of lads in those days, Remember Charlie ramscar arfrom Leyton in London, also c. Waddle and M.bathgate from s. Shields Hope you are all keeping well Geordie. Pete now lives in stoke.Posted on 02/12/2013 at 15:50:23

great site,i sailed on the delphic. remember peter the sparkie well. a few other names were jim buist ,jonn carrol bill chittick robby robertson keith taylor andy mitchell ist trip was unforgettable bunkered in cape town as las palmas was to rough,on to sydney. townsville, port alma ,brisbane, melbourne, adelaide,albany then fremantle, off to durban , paerius, valetta and home thought id died and gone to heaven it was all along way from a pit village in the north east , best wishes to submitters hi to peter, dennis geoff .harry[john], great to hear from you all,i went on to the aranda, ionic, then laurentic, finally coasted on the brittanic emmigrated to nz in 74 alan thornberPosted on 03/12/2013 at 20:56:35

love to hear from any old shipmates nothing like a good old reminisce. email tarks@clear.net.nz alan thornberPosted on 03/12/2013 at 21:11:06

Did anyone know a person by the name of "Jimmy Preston"? He was on the "Ceramic" back in the mid fifties, and was supposedly a steward.Posted on 07/12/2013 at 08:00:23

Hi what a great site sailed on the zealandic a couple of trips I remember Mutton bird and bob Macey he was tha barber if I remember right there was an engineer called Austin Came from Orkney I was always known as yorkie most of the engineers except mutton bird were scottish. Including the chief angus and second jim gilespr@msn.comPosted on 08/12/2013 at 18:58:14

Wasn't Austin the Engineer who cracked his head open stepping over the weather sill, but forgetting to duck!!! Some "nasty" Engineers also eat their way through his box of apples, that were intended for his folks at home!! Nice lad though. bobmacPosted on 10/12/2013 at 19:36:40

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As Clive Carver I joined Shaw Savill in 1966 after serving as an apprentice electrician with the London Electricity Board, house bashing and latterly in Battersea Power Station. My interview was with Jock Hastie the Marine Supt at the office which was at the now end of the City airport runway and he asked me how many types of DC motor there were. I had not got a clue so he told me to away and learn all about them. Hence I got into Battersea PS for the experience via the apprenticeship scheme. After 6 moths I went back for a second interview and he asked me the same questions and in addition how would I reverse them. They were If I remember correctly Series, Shunt & Compound – cannot remember how to reverse them so I guess I will not need to re-apply again – Anyhow I soon found myself standing by on the Megantic with a trip to Immingham in Feb 1967 and my first sampling of Newcastle Brown – What a hang over. Next I moved to standby the Southern Cross in Southampton where the 5th Lecky failed to turn up so I was given the job in June 1967. The ships engine room was huge and mind boggling in size and complexity – you could say frightening as a new boy when I was called out at 3 am – The Chief Lecky was Dave Thomson and the 1st Lecky was Bruce Niblo – Both very experienced leckys and they certainly looked after me, they were always in pure white overalls – with their experience I do not blame them, I will always be grateful for their guidance. George was the 2nd lecky – forgotten his surname, he came from the Outer Hebrides. I joined the Cross as a real raw lecky – clueless – but I left after 18 months with a lot of experience under my belt and a grown man, well I thought I was. What an absolute experience and something I am so pleased I did not miss. From there I joined the Britannic in Jan 1968 – My overriding memory was that there were 72 crew – 71 Glaswegians & me from South London. They were great engineers and good boozers – did I learn a lot. I then did two further stints at sea with the RFA and the South African Marine Corporation and then finally came ashore. The Merchant Navy taught me a lot, it set me standards for my life, it taught me to respect other people – in particular marine engineers / leckies and you learn a work ethic which you rarely see ashore and I had the greatest time of my life. Now settled in Wokingham Berkshire – So many thanks to Dave, Bruce and George wherever you may be. Posted on 30/12/2013 at 23:07:49

maggs@carver74.plus.comPosted on 30/12/2013 at 23:22:14

Hi Malcolm Duffy served on the Gothic Arabic and Iberic in the sixties as junior Engineer to 4th engineer Have lost touch with all my shipmates from the happiest era of my life.I miss the social life the wild stories of trips gone by.Some of the names I remember are Trevor Cowland George the fouth- cannot remember his surname. Nobby Norton Don Joels Charlie Worthington - not his surname but his favorite beer Dave Senglow fridge engineer and a Welshman Davies. Ted Wilkinson Chief leckie with the Akai tape recorder which gave us plenty of good music and cabin parties. Ashley Spittal Bill Ailwood The Chief Engineer was Willy Waite My last trip ended in Hobart Tasmania when I was hospitalised with a mysterious illness.I returned to sea on Mobil tankers and in 1973 emigrated to Sydney Australia worked as maintenance fitter with Mynor cordials and Formrite Plastics Retired this year still in Sydney and remembering all the good times and not so good times at sea.Hope to hear from someone who remembers me There was a chippy called Tommy Glen a Kiwi who was a great guy on my last trip he taught me how to play cribbage.All the best to you all in 2014 Posted on 03/01/2014 at 04:59:05

Hi ex shipmates, l was on the afric from march 1967 as junior eng, l have had contact with mike pond chief leckie, l remember John duck 2nd leckie, dare taylor and dennis, roger magaragle(from Basingstoke)enjoyed the trips to aussie and nz, didn't care much for being sick in the medi(first trip) Did two trips then went on Akaroa maiden voyage(12/4 watch)with Mike and Jim, sorry can't remember the second names.Would like to hear from anyone who remembers me, John Carson(originally from Inverness)Posted on 07/01/2014 at 00:36:04

Hi malcomDuffy, I to worked on the southern x but in 1963. I came from nz to sydney in 1964.i to worked for Formica plastics located in Duffy av. Worked at Formica until 1969. The site is now a housing estate. Cheer Trevor Davis. I still live in the hornsby area.Posted on 07/01/2014 at 01:00:19

Hello , Does anybody remember Dave Gridley I sailed with him as 3rd electrican and 2nd electrician on the Cretic he was Chief electrician. Don Lloyd.Posted on 10/01/2014 at 08:54:49

The John Davies, he who was 2nd Leckie on the Waiwera in 1964, probably took my place, as my face didn't fit with the 1st leckie, Angus Gillies, he of the white overalls and the penchant for painting workshop floor as a mark of his great electrical abilities. During my couple of years as a cop in London's Met Police, i saw Angus a couple of time driving a car in Ilford. He must have recognised me, but he never stopped for a chat. I recall visiting the Waiwera in Hull some time later and meeting a 2nd Leckie. Perhaps that was you, John. You can find a bit more about me by Googling my 2 humorous books, which are available on Autharium, who take no cut, because i donate my takings to an ovarian cancer charity and other like Amazon. The books: The Life of Riley and his "Troubles", which is set in Norther Ireland. The Jock Connection on the trail of Billy Bagman the Colostomy Comic, set in London's Met Police. I write as Rob Little, though most knew me as Bob. Bob LittlePosted on 10/01/2014 at 19:59:15

To the engineer who might have bumped into me on Townsend Thoresen or P&O Ferries. I worked a Dover in 1972-73, then at Cairnryan and Felixstowe until retiring with back problems in 1989. I hope you enjoyed the books if you downloaded them. I sent £2k to an ovarian charity since my wife was diagnosed in 2010. She now has brain tumours and the outcome isn't good. Bob LittlePosted on 10/01/2014 at 20:03:09

Hello , Don Lloyd here , looking to hear from anyone who sailed on the Cretic June 1969 to December 1970. I was 3rd and 2nd electrician during this time.Anyone remember Ebeneezer the Freezer I was a his wedding in N.Z it was a riot .Also Fiji Thompson 2nd Engineer and his wife who sailed on the trip.Happiest days of our lives ! Regards to all SS&A Shipmates. P.S Anyone remember Yorkie Thompson , Lamptrimmer, who drowned I think in Wellington Harbour I used to watch him splice steel wire ropes a real sailor and friend.Posted on 16/01/2014 at 10:02:24

Hi Bill russell here I served on the New Australia 1955 to 1956 starting as 7th lecky and leaving in 1956 as 3rd joined the Athenic in 1956 as 2nd lecky left in 1957 joined the Taranaki in 1957 as !st lecky only 1 voyage that took 5 months she was that slow. I then joined the Doric for what was a happy 2 years.I finished off with a working passage to NZ,on the Ceramic. Farewell SS&APosted on 21/01/2014 at 21:33:59

Greetings, Jim Holmes here, Don Lloyd was asking about anyone who sailed on the Cretic, I sailed on her as a junior on Don's first trip and as 2nd Freezer the milk run to South America and the West Indies, i didn't make it to Ebeneezer's wedding, I had to cover for him! We certainly had some great times during those voyages. Great times indeed and many fond memories.Posted on 26/01/2014 at 20:56:32

Hello,Jim great to hear from you again.Sometime ago I came across some photos taken of the Cretics freezer spaces did you post them? Also a photo taken in the Cretics bar of happy memories! The photo shows an engineer cadet you and Dave Gridley.I think it was taken in London before the first trip. I have tiriedto find them again but cant any links for them? Also remember "Spud" Murphy and Brian the chief leckie from the first trip. Also do you remember who was 1st freezer on our second trip? By the way it was some milk run to the West Indies on a non air conditioned ship wasnt it! Many regards, Don Lloyd. donaldlloyd@live.comPosted on 28/01/2014 at 10:08:58

I was deck apprentice on Coptic in 1961, we had a great Xmas in Auckland. I did two Athenic voyages and we did call New Plymouth. THere is great new book on the four big ICs. Also did voyages 1 and 2 on Illyric. Have been in touch with cadets Catesby,Dancaster and Wooding in last year, also 3 mate Vowles. Have only found this site today so have some reading to do. John Clark Posted on 03/02/2014 at 19:45:04

Geoff Ahearn, You and I sailed on the last trip of the Delphic. I was called Maverick if you can remember ?Posted on 15/02/2014 at 21:36:02

Joined SSA in the early sixties stood by on Corinthic and then sailed on Canopic as 3rd Leccy under Bill Bignall with Billy Taylor as 2nd leccy, then signed on Alaric as 2nd leccy under John Healy initially and then Alan Smythe the huge Irishman from Belfast - believe Alan died of a brain tumor somewhat before his time so RIP old friend. Some names that come to mind --- Deck Officers: Tudor Davies (Captain) Gordon Cudlipp (C/O) John Thoroughgood (2/O) Mick Callaghan (3/O) Neville Ward (Cadet) Bob Sands (Cadet) Engineers: Josh Hyatt (C/E) Jim Turnbull (Allyoop) - (2/E) Vic Andrews (2/E) Ron Davis (3/E) Les Patterson (3/E) Ron Taylor (4/E) Don? Joel (4/E) Cliff Gledhill (5/E) George Culver (5/E) Willy Fythe (Jun Eng) Francis Sengelo (Hercules) - (Jun Eng) Mick Murphy (Jun Eng) Fred Lamb (Ch/Fridge) John Pellet (Sammy) (2/Fridge) Ted Rivens (Shadrak) (3/Fridge) John Dover (Commodore Chief Electrician) Bill Bignall (1/Elect) John Healey (1/Elect) Glynn Williams (1/Elect) Jim Gilhooly (1/Elect) Alan Smythe (1/Elect) Billy Taylor (2/Elect) Its funny how I can remember these guys like it was yesterday but have not got a clue what I had for dinner two days ago! Some good times, some bad times and some hilarious times with a great bunch of guys, my time with SSA started a career that covered 20 years at sea before heading into Mining - would be great to hear from anyone who knew me in those days - Cheers Graham Eyre gbeyre@clear.net.nz Posted on 18/02/2014 at 02:26:15

Hi again, I put the second comment on here in 2010 & haven't visited much since, it's interesting to read the comments above, one of which is from David Parkinson, who sailed on the Athenic in 67 to 69, if you read this David & you remember me, you can always contact me on tmagnus02@btinternet.com or in fact anybody else who remembers me from those trips, regards all Trevor Magnus, 2 nd electrical SS Athenic 1967 1969Posted on 23/02/2014 at 11:47:58

Hi again, I put the second comment on here in 2010 & haven't visited much since, it's interesting to read the comments above, one of which is from David Parkinson, who sailed on the Athenic in 67 to 69, if you read this David & you remember me, you can always contact me on tmagnus02@btinternet.com or in fact anybody else who remembers me from those trips, regards all Trevor Magnus, 2 nd electrical SS Athenic 1967 1969Posted on 23/02/2014 at 21:19:26

Message to Bob Little from John Davies, I apologise for my delay in replying to your post on 10/01/14, it is tragic that your wife is so poorly. I look forward to reading your books. I am sure your donations to the cancer charity will be very much appreciated. You must have joined the WAIWERA after my voyage as 2nd Leckie which ended 22/06/64 prior to her going to H&W at Belfast for engine maintenance. She still had her original four Polar generators at that time. When I re-joined the WAIWERA in March '66 as 1st Leckie, the second hand Allen's generator that had replaced the disintegrated Polar generator was on line most of the time. Regards John. Posted on 26/02/2014 at 23:56:36

Hi enjoyed the memories not many 2nd cooks& bakers mentioned does anyone remember Ian Williams Alaric-Britannic-Arawa plus various run jobs last ship QE11 anyone remember chief cook Jumbo?Posted on 02/03/2014 at 21:01:41

This is not how i remember Coptic in 1961: The Shaw, Savill, and Albion Company's motor ship Coptic holds a fine record. She is a speedy freighter, and when on a recent journey to New Zealand her average speed was 15.5 knots. The vessel, which has been trading to New Zealand and Australia since 1928, is at present on her tenth voyage. By arriving back at the United Kingdom on December 30th (1931), she completed three round trips from the United Kingdom to New Zealand and back in 12 months, the vessel having been dispatched from Liverpool on January 1, 1931. The Coptic's latest achievement was recorded on her last homeward voyage, via Cape Horn and Las Palmas. The vessel left Napier on November 25, and arrived at Las Palmas on Christmas morning. After taking in fuel oil, which occupied 9.5 hours, she left for London, and reached her destination on December 30th, 36 days 16 hours and 44 minutes out from Napier. The most satisfactory feature, so far as the engine room department was concerned, was the fact that the vessel was under full power of both port and starboard motors from the time she left Napier to the time she reached London, with the exception of the necessary stop at Las Palmas. The controls were not handled at any part of the voyage, except when entering port. A similar experience occurred on the recent trip to New Zealand, which speak well for the reliability of her propelling machinery, a set of Wallsend-Sulzer motors........ As the newness of the ship faded, so it settled down to travelling through the pages of history without much fanfare.Posted on 03/03/2014 at 20:02:11

To John Davies from Bob Little. I think it must have been the other way around. I left Waiwera in the February, i think, 64, because i got married in the April that year and never sailed again with SSA. You can email me direct at: roblittle.annan@yahoo.co.uk. Look forward to a conversation with you. Bob Posted on 03/03/2014 at 20:07:26

Hi Malcolm Duffy, This is Trevor Cowland .I can be contacted at cowlandtrevor@yahoo.com I reside in Melbourne of which I have been here since 1974. It was great to see your note in the above and the all the names you had mentioned. I have been in touch with Stuart Dobson who I had sailed with on the Zealandic. Looking forward to hear from you and any other ship mates I had sailed with. It would be great to have a reunion of all SSA associates that belonged to a great company.I can also be contacted on 0448629393 Posted on 14/03/2014 at 05:17:18

great reading i sailed on the medic in 1968 have been trying to find what happend to of my x shipmates laurie king e.d.h and carl patterson second cook and baker both from stockton uk if anyone could help me both sailed on a number shaw savill ships thanks jimmy fry Posted on 28/03/2014 at 17:38:48

Is there any seaman out there that sailed on the SS Athenic June 1959, England to Wellington? I was passenger on her and did get to know some of them but cannot quite recall the names. Be great to hear from anyone who can remember that trip. Many thanks Carole Priest dact@xtra.co.nzPosted on 06/04/2014 at 03:06:02

I am Bert Crewe a Houlder Bros eng but when Shaw Saville dock office closed Mr Frank Griffiths (Carprntr/Chippy) came to work in Houlders office in Leadenhall st London. His wife phoned today 8-4-2014 to say Frank had passed away peacefully in Colchester Hospital. I would like to get hold of Richard Aylings Tel No. to let him know . my tel is 01206 250 757Posted on 08/04/2014 at 12:36:05

"Ahoy There" by Jack smith. Order through Amazon or Kindle. A great nostalgic & rollicking read of times gone by in the Merchant Navy. !950--!970sPosted on 09/04/2014 at 00:26:54

Most lads I sailed with enjoyed humour. Can I interest you then in my two humorous novels, The life of Riley and his "Troubles". Set in Northern Ireland it details the infidelity of a doctor and his wife' efforts to catch him on the job. The other, set on London's Met police, is titled The Jock Connection on the trail of Billy Bagman the Colostomy Comic. They're available on line at Autharium and robbers such as Amazon for a couple of quid. Autharium don't take a cut because I donate from sales to ovarian cancer charities, £2000 over the last 40 months. My wife died recently from the woman's scourge.Posted on 10/04/2014 at 16:46:10

Addition to my recent posting above: I'm Bob Little, once 3rd Leckie Coptic in 1961, 2nd Leckie Suevic 62-63 and Waiwera 63-64.Posted on 10/04/2014 at 16:53:03

Addition to my recent posting above: I'm Bob Little, once 3rd Leckie Coptic in 1961, 2nd Leckie Suevic 62-63 and Waiwera 63-64.Posted on 10/04/2014 at 16:55:14

Why is there advertising blurbs here? I thought this site was for Merchant Navy personnel to contact each other. Can it be deleted please.Posted on 15/04/2014 at 02:08:35

My father Ronald Barnshaw worked on the megantic in the 60 s, he had such fond memories of his time away, would bring back gifts galore and sent me many postcards. Wish i had found this site before he passed away recently. Anyone remember him, it would be great to hear some stories.Posted on 15/04/2014 at 20:42:58

I joined Southern Cross in 1961 as Electrician.Chief Lecky was "Gypsy" McEachran. Dave Thompson was 1st and never a man to let work interfere with his social life. Also Angus Gillies and Harry Gibbons. A few Names Derek Davies John Badger Roger Firth Jimmy Andrews Jan Woodbridge Ben Shepheard Fred Goga George Brodie. I remember these as of yesterday. Stayed with the 'Cross till1963 did one trip on the Ceramic,left the sea forever, Joined P&O for next 4 years after 3 months.Posted on 18/04/2014 at 08:43:49

I should have added to the above, there were lots more, Derek Russel, "doc"lovatt Bobby Comerford Frank Mole Jimmy Ralston Dave Tosh. "United by common experience and tempered in the same fire". Graham StephensPosted on 19/04/2014 at 01:32:58

Was a junior engineer on the Megantic on it`s maiden voyage (1962/3) to NZ via Panama. Then returned to the Cretic for a few years. Chief on the Cretic was Chalky White some of the others were John Payne, "BC" ( 5th engineer) John Moir, Gregg (something), "Rambling" Ron ( accordionist and chief freezer), the "Bonny Lad" (electrician), "Rigor Mortis" ( engine room cadet) .Crankcase crawl in Port Said found main bearing had run. Replaced, checked again whilst stopped in the "cut" - same thing. Towed to Port Tewfik replaced again but managed to complete rest of voyage without a recurrence. Anyone out there from either ship ? John W.Posted on 03/05/2014 at 23:42:43

Was a junior engineer on the Megantic on it`s maiden voyage (1962/3) to NZ via Panama. Then returned to the Cretic for a few years. Chief on the Cretic was Chalky White some of the others were John Payne, "BC" ( 5th engineer) John Moir, Gregg (something), "Rambling" Ron ( accordionist and chief freezer), the "Bonny Lad" (electrician), "Rigor Mortis" ( engine room cadet) .Crankcase crawl in Port Said found main bearing had run. Replaced, checked again whilst stopped in the "cut" - same thing. Towed to Port Tewfik replaced again but managed to complete rest of voyage without a recurrence. Anyone out there from either ship ? John W.Posted on 03/05/2014 at 23:42:45

Was a junior engineer on the Megantic on it`s maiden voyage (1962/3) to NZ via Panama. Then returned to the Cretic for a few years. Chief on the Cretic was Chalky White some of the others were John Payne, "BC" ( 5th engineer) John Moir, Gregg (something), "Rambling" Ron ( accordionist and chief freezer), the "Bonny Lad" (electrician), "Rigor Mortis" ( engine room cadet) .Crankcase crawl in Port Said found main bearing had run. Replaced, checked again whilst stopped in the "cut" - same thing. Towed to Port Tewfik replaced again but managed to complete rest of voyage without a recurrence. Anyone out there from either ship ? John W.Posted on 03/05/2014 at 23:42:46

Was a junior engineer on the Megantic on it`s maiden voyage (1962/3) to NZ via Panama. Then returned to the Cretic for a few years. Chief on the Cretic was Chalky White some of the others were John Payne, "BC" ( 5th engineer) John Moir, Gregg (something), "Rambling" Ron ( accordionist and chief freezer), the "Bonny Lad" (electrician), "Rigor Mortis" ( engine room cadet) .Crankcase crawl in Port Said found main bearing had run. Replaced, checked again whilst stopped in the "cut" - same thing. Towed to Port Tewfik replaced again but managed to complete rest of voyage without a recurrence. Anyone out there from either ship ? John W.Posted on 03/05/2014 at 23:42:46

Was a junior engineer on the Megantic on it`s maiden voyage (1962/3) to NZ via Panama. Then returned to the Cretic for a few years. Chief on the Cretic was Chalky White some of the others were John Payne, "BC" ( 5th engineer) John Moir, Gregg (something), "Rambling" Ron ( accordionist and chief freezer), the "Bonny Lad" (electrician), "Rigor Mortis" ( engine room cadet) .Crankcase crawl in Port Said found main bearing had run. Replaced, checked again whilst stopped in the "cut" - same thing. Towed to Port Tewfik replaced again but managed to complete rest of voyage without a recurrence. Anyone out there from either ship ? John W.Posted on 03/05/2014 at 23:42:49

Was a junior engineer on the Megantic on it`s maiden voyage (1962/3) to NZ via Panama. Then returned to the Cretic for a few years. Chief on the Cretic was Chalky White some of the others were John Payne, "BC" ( 5th engineer) John Moir, Gregg (something), "Rambling" Ron ( accordionist and chief freezer), the "Bonny Lad" (electrician), "Rigor Mortis" ( engine room cadet) .Crankcase crawl in Port Said found main bearing had run. Replaced, checked again whilst stopped in the "cut" - same thing. Towed to Port Tewfik replaced again but managed to complete rest of voyage without a recurrence. Anyone out there from either ship ? John W.Posted on 03/05/2014 at 23:42:49

Was a junior engineer on the Megantic on it`s maiden voyage (1962/3) to NZ via Panama. Then returned to the Cretic for a few years. Chief on the Cretic was Chalky White some of the others were John Payne, "BC" ( 5th engineer) John Moir, Gregg (something), "Rambling" Ron ( accordionist and chief freezer), the "Bonny Lad" (electrician), "Rigor Mortis" ( engine room cadet) .Crankcase crawl in Port Said found main bearing had run. Replaced, checked again whilst stopped in the "cut" - same thing. Towed to Port Tewfik replaced again but managed to complete rest of voyage without a recurrence. Anyone out there from either ship ? John W.Posted on 03/05/2014 at 23:43:41

Did anyone service on the SS Persic in the 1960s?Posted on 09/05/2014 at 10:23:14

served part of my apprenticeship with dave thompson he fired my interest in going to sea. told me all the questions jock hasty would ask me.spot on. last question jock asked was why do u want to go to sea .my reply see a bit of the world travel etc etc jock leapt up thumped the desk no laddie no your going to work work . i said yeah that too, you'l do you'l do when can you start . he was a great character. alan tPosted on 19/05/2014 at 21:37:07

Hello everyone. My grandfather was John Lowe also known has nobby Lowe. He was on the shaw Seville Ss northern star and other liners. Has far has I can remember he was a purser . If any one has any info on him pictures footage would be from the 50s and 60s please would contact me on coetteslife@yahoo.co.uk or call me on 07817794034 many thanks knobbys grandaugter colette Posted on 23/05/2014 at 10:27:57

I have a collection of Shaw Saville Line memorabilia from 1957, brochures , etc. Is anyone interested, I would be happy to post them to you. Southern Cross ship. email contact@ericandbev.com Posted on 07/06/2014 at 06:26:23

Hi everyone. Neville Stevens from Christcurch New Zealand. I had the privilege of sharing a few beers with Ian McKevley who if I remember rightly was 1st Engineer on the Persic this was in Lyttleton in 1968. Really great guy. I think he came from Southampton. If anyone remembers Ian I would love to know where he is or if he's still with us I have a great photo of him should anyone like a copy. Posted on 10/06/2014 at 14:41:04

Hi Graham Stephens.Was with you on the Cross,did try and Email you but the address was not known,got it from the old SSA site.I recently got all my old slides put on a disc i have one of you at one of the many parties we had on the cross if you would like a copy Email me at harry gibbons@tiiscali.co.uk I married a nurse i met in London 43 years ago we have 3 children and 6 gran kids.We now live in Norfolk and i spend my time messing about in my boat on the Broads.Harry Gibbons.Posted on 12/06/2014 at 16:46:49

Just a re-cape the Email address is harry.gibbons@tiscali.co.uk I also forgot to mention that i met Dave Tompson on the Cross in Auckland in 1969,he was chief lecky,I was 1st Lecky on the Cymric,must have been near the end of my time at sea. Harry Gibbons. Posted on 12/06/2014 at 17:09:11

Hi John W, "Bonny Lad" here, ref your post 03/05/14 with details of our voyages together on the CRETIC, my introduction started this web page illustrated with a picture of the CRETIC. You have done well remembering many names of our shipmates. My memory is terrible. Through this site, Trvor Davis the 2nd Freezer, now living in Sydney sent a few group photographs that included some of our good mates that you mentioned - JohnPayne and John Moir. During my two voyages on the CRETIC as 3rd Lecky, my seniors were Les Haxell - 1st Lecky, David Barclay - 2nd Lecky on my first trip and wee Edie - 2nd Lecky on my 2nd trip. You mentioned "Rambling" Ron the chief Freezer, I have fond memories of Ron entertaining us on many occasions with his accordion. I vividly remember the tragic accident when we were homeward bound on my 2nd voyage. As the ship was being made ready to leave Genoa, I was on deck sketching the spectacular scenery, I heard that one of our deck crew had fallen. When hoisting the radio aerial which stretched from the foremast to the mainmast, one of the porcelain insulators had lodged in a derrick pulley over No 2 hatch. John a deck hand went up to the monkey island and swung the wire, tragically as the insulator was freed, the weight on the wire pulled John out of the monkey island and he landed on the foredeck. I went near to the area, the 2nd Mate was comforting and holding John on the deck, John was struggling and shouting let go, his voice was crystal clear. I went to my cabin for a stiff drink. Sadly we heard later that John had died on the operating table as we left the harbour. It was John's 2nd voyage on the CRETIC too, odd times when I has asked the Bosun if I could have someone to give me a hand with a task on deck, it was normally John that was sent to help me, we got on very well together. I initiated a gathering, the Lamp trimmer and I collected 51-10 shillings which I sent to John's Mam in Birmingham, I received a lovely letter from her. I estimate that the accident occurred late January 1964. John Davies (BL). Posted on 13/06/2014 at 22:20:39

Hi, My name is Brian Rees. I sailed on the Persic in late 68 to early 69 from Liverpool to Cape Town and then around the coast of Australia, Perth, Melbourne, Newcastle, Sydney and Brisbane. I was a Catering Boy when I signed on but a rumour went round the ship before we sailed. The gossip was that we were going to do the man's run ....NZ to Japan for at least a year. So the engineer's steward packed his bags and went, not to return. I think he was doing a OU course. I was given his job and my weekly wages of £6 doubled. I had a friend on the Persic, we were at Gravesend together. His name was Fred, he had bright ginger hair, he was a Londoner. I would love to speak with him again. If he should read this my email is brianrees2004@hotmail.comPosted on 17/06/2014 at 10:57:42

Just looking in my old discharge book I was the bosun on the Delphic and took her to scrap in Taiwan on the 16/08/71then flew uk via Hong Kong we all had a great time while in NZ know live in warrington a bit Disabled after a stroke one of the best ships ever always remember the skipper with tears in his eyes when we were in the launch leaving the ship now 75 but will never forget the Delphic. Ron.whitfield@icloud.comPosted on 23/06/2014 at 14:04:17

After seeing a comment from David Parkinson on here who was 6th engineer on the Athenic for 3 trips, I decided to try to contact him after 46 years, I finally did so after making numerous phone calls, he seemed pretty surprised to here from me, we've now exchanged a few calls, emails & photos, it's certainly brought a few memories flooding back from our trips to Australia & N Z. Posted by Trevor Magnus, 3rd/2nd leckie RMS Athenic 1967 1968, currently in the Norwich area.Posted on 24/06/2014 at 09:05:35

After seeing a comment from David Parkinson on here who was 6th engineer on the Athenic for 3 trips, I decided to try to contact him after 46 years, I finally did so after making numerous phone calls, he seemed pretty surprised to here from me, we've now exchanged a few calls, emails & photos, it's certainly brought a few memories flooding back from our trips to Australia & N Z. Posted by Trevor Magnus, 3rd/2nd leckie RMS Athenic 1967 1968, currently in the Norwich area.Posted on 24/06/2014 at 09:05:36

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Hi. sailed on the Cymric in the late sixtys with Clive Downes,he was captain and a very good one at that.We called him the scout master,not in a bad way,but he did think that we should all take part in games like chess and solo and even darts,these where expected to take place between officers and crew,It certainly passed the time at sea.He also had the rotten job of telling me that my dad had died while we were mid-paccific.Harry Gibbons.Posted on 07/07/2014 at 14:45:31

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Hi, Geoff Ahern here, I sailed on Delphic, Ceramic and Northern Star as an engineer between '69 and '75, if there's any old shipmates out there would like to catch up my Email is gna46gna@bigpond.com.au Happy sailing GeoffPosted on 09/07/2014 at 04:05:23

Hi Harry Gibbons, I am Clive Downes brother, Clive I`m afraid died in 2007, but I thought it would be good to find someone who served with him. His wife Margeret is still alive, and I will pass on your name and the website to her when I talk to her later tonight. I miss Clive very much Regards Chris DownesPosted on 09/07/2014 at 17:10:20

Very Interesting website which makes great reading from so many Shaw Savill crew ~ its great to read so many comments about many of our ships. Can I remind you that the Shaw Savill Society which has been operating for more than 25 years is still alive in both UK and Aust/NZ and we would welcome any new members. The UK Society has annual reunions ~ the next one in Southampton in March 2015 and here in NZ ~ our next one will probably be in Napier in April/May 2016. Anyone interested in joining ~ please contact Jamie, the Purser, at brandane69@yahoo.co.ukPosted on 10/07/2014 at 01:35:35

Hi Chris. Sorry to hear that Capt Downes has passed away,he was a good and fair man and the Cymric was a happy ship under his comand.I did forget to mention that we had a debating group among the officers,his topic was the reasons why it was a bad thing that rubbish bins had to be taken off your property to be emptied,there was a few other odd topics but it was all good fun.my topic was if the inner jib on a sloop reached abaft the mast it really was a Genoa.I won first prize,ie two beers.Harry Gibbons.Posted on 10/07/2014 at 18:41:47

Hi Chris Downes MY name is George Holmes. Sailed on Cymric with Clive when he was chief officer 62/63. Capt Connolly Master, myself 2/o, Gerry Crease 3/o, Bill Lockie 4/o. A cheerful ship mate on the best ship in SS&A fleet. He lived in York and I came from Ripon. A great part of the country !! Give my Best Wishes to Margaret. I have just retired after 34 years as Torres Strait Pilot, now living in Brisbane. My email georgeholmes3@bigpond.com With kind Regards. Posted on 11/07/2014 at 12:34:31

Hi Chris Downes MY name is George Holmes. Sailed on Cymric with Clive when he was chief officer 62/63. Capt Connolly Master, myself 2/o, Gerry Crease 3/o, Bill Lockie 4/o. A cheerful ship mate on the best ship in SS&A fleet. He lived in York and I came from Ripon. A great part of the country !! Give my Best Wishes to Margaret. I have just retired after 34 years as Torres Strait Pilot, now living in Brisbane. My email georgeholmes3@bigpond.com With kind Regards. Posted on 11/07/2014 at 01:10:08

Hi Chris Downes MY name is George Holmes. Sailed on Cymric with Clive when he was chief officer 62/63. Capt Connolly Master, myself 2/o, Gerry Crease 3/o, Bill Lockie 4/o. A cheerful ship mate on the best ship in SS&A fleet. He lived in York and I came from Ripon. A great part of the country !! Give my Best Wishes to Margaret. I have just retired after 34 years as Torres Strait Pilot, now living in Brisbane. My email georgeholmes3@bigpond.com With kind Regards. Posted on 11/07/2014 at 01:16:50

Hi Chris Downes MY name is George Holmes. Sailed on Cymric with Clive when he was chief officer 62/63. Capt Connolly Master, myself 2/o, Gerry Crease 3/o, Bill Lockie 4/o. A cheerful ship mate on the best ship in SS&A fleet. He lived in York and I came from Ripon. A great part of the country !! Give my Best Wishes to Margaret. I have just retired after 34 years as Torres Strait Pilot, now living in Brisbane. My email georgeholmes3@bigpond.com With kind Regards. Posted on 11/07/2014 at 01:16:54

Hi Chris Downes MY name is George Holmes. Sailed on Cymric with Clive when he was chief officer 62/63. Capt Connolly Master, myself 2/o, Gerry Crease 3/o, Bill Lockie 4/o. A cheerful ship mate on the best ship in SS&A fleet. He lived in York and I came from Ripon. A great part of the country !! Give my Best Wishes to Margaret. I have just retired after 34 years as Torres Strait Pilot, now living in Brisbane. My email georgeholmes3@bigpond.com With kind Regards. Posted on 11/07/2014 at 01:16:57

Hi Chris Downes MY name is George Holmes. Sailed on Cymric with Clive when he was chief officer 62/63. Capt Connolly Master, myself 2/o, Gerry Crease 3/o, Bill Lockie 4/o. A cheerful ship mate on the best ship in SS&A fleet. He lived in York and I came from Ripon. A great part of the country !! Give my Best Wishes to Margaret. I have just retired after 34 years as Torres Strait Pilot, now living in Brisbane. My email georgeholmes3@bigpond.com With kind Regards. Posted on 11/07/2014 at 01:17:00

Hi Chris Downes MY name is George Holmes. Sailed on Cymric with Clive when he was chief officer 62/63. Capt Connolly Master, myself 2/o, Gerry Crease 3/o, Bill Lockie 4/o. A cheerful ship mate on the best ship in SS&A fleet. He lived in York and I came from Ripon. A great part of the country !! Give my Best Wishes to Margaret. I have just retired after 34 years as Torres Strait Pilot, now living in Brisbane. My email georgeholmes3@bigpond.com With kind Regards. Posted on 11/07/2014 at 01:17:04

Hi Chris Downes MY name is George Holmes. Sailed on Cymric with Clive when he was chief officer 62/63. Capt Connolly Master, myself 2/o, Gerry Crease 3/o, Bill Lockie 4/o. A cheerful ship mate on the best ship in SS&A fleet. He lived in York and I came from Ripon. A great part of the country !! Give my Best Wishes to Margaret. I have just retired after 34 years as Torres Strait Pilot, now living in Brisbane. My email georgeholmes3@bigpond.com With kind Regards. Posted on 11/07/2014 at 01:17:07

Hi Chris Downes MY name is George Holmes. Sailed on Cymric with Clive when he was chief officer 62/63. Capt Connolly Master, myself 2/o, Gerry Crease 3/o, Bill Lockie 4/o. A cheerful ship mate on the best ship in SS&A fleet. He lived in York and I came from Ripon. A great part of the country !! Give my Best Wishes to Margaret. I have just retired after 34 years as Torres Strait Pilot, now living in Brisbane. My email georgeholmes3@bigpond.com With kind Regards. Posted on 11/07/2014 at 01:17:10

Hi Chris Downes MY name is George Holmes. Sailed on Cymric with Clive when he was chief officer 62/63. Capt Connolly Master, myself 2/o, Gerry Crease 3/o, Bill Lockie 4/o. A cheerful ship mate on the best ship in SS&A fleet. He lived in York and I came from Ripon. A great part of the country !! Give my Best Wishes to Margaret. I have just retired after 34 years as Torres Strait Pilot, now living in Brisbane. My email georgeholmes3@bigpond.com With kind Regards. Posted on 11/07/2014 at 01:17:17

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Hi there, Jimmy Andrew of Shaw Savill times from late 1957 to 1965. Ships New Australia ( 28th Eng ) Persic, Suevic, Runic, Southern Cross, Gothid and Suevic again, Finished as 2nd Engineer. Now live in Fremantle WA and anyone who rmembers me can contact at cbandrew@iinet.net.au. Thanks for all the cameraderie and wonderful times spent over the years at sea. Jimmy.Posted on 12/07/2014 at 05:38:50

Hi there, Jimmy Andrew of Shaw Savill times from late 1957 to 1965. Ships New Australia ( 28th Eng ) Persic, Suevic, Runic, Southern Cross, Gothid and Suevic again, Finished as 2nd Engineer. Now live in Fremantle WA and anyone who rmembers me can contact at cbandrew@iinet.net.au. Thanks for all the cameraderie and wonderful times spent over the years at sea. Jimmy.Posted on 12/07/2014 at 05:39:02

Hi there, Jimmy Andrew of Shaw Savill times from late 1957 to 1965. Ships New Australia ( 28th Eng ) Persic, Suevic, Runic, Southern Cross, Gothid and Suevic again, Finished as 2nd Engineer. Now live in Fremantle WA and anyone who rmembers me can contact at cbandrew@iinet.net.au. Thanks for all the cameraderie and wonderful times spent over the years at sea. Jimmy.Posted on 12/07/2014 at 05:39:04

Hi there, Jimmy Andrew of Shaw Savill times from late 1957 to 1965. Ships New Australia ( 28th Eng ) Persic, Suevic, Runic, Southern Cross, Gothid and Suevic again, Finished as 2nd Engineer. Now live in Fremantle WA and anyone who rmembers me can contact at cbandrew@iinet.net.au. Thanks for all the cameraderie and wonderful times spent over the years at sea. Jimmy.Posted on 12/07/2014 at 05:39:09

Hi there, Jimmy Andrew of Shaw Savill times from late 1957 to 1965. Ships New Australia ( 28th Eng ) Persic, Suevic, Runic, Southern Cross, Gothid and Suevic again, Finished as 2nd Engineer. Now live in Fremantle WA and anyone who rmembers me can contact at cbandrew@iinet.net.au. Thanks for all the cameraderie and wonderful times spent over the years at sea. Jimmy.Posted on 12/07/2014 at 05:39:12

Hi there, Jimmy Andrew of Shaw Savill times from late 1957 to 1965. Ships New Australia ( 28th Eng ) Persic, Suevic, Runic, Southern Cross, Gothid and Suevic again, Finished as 2nd Engineer. Now live in Fremantle WA and anyone who rmembers me can contact at cbandrew@iinet.net.au. Thanks for all the cameraderie and wonderful times spent over the years at sea. Jimmy.Posted on 12/07/2014 at 05:46:03

Hi there, Jimmy Andrew of Shaw Savill times from late 1957 to 1965. Ships New Australia ( 28th Eng ) Persic, Suevic, Runic, Southern Cross, Gothid and Suevic again, Finished as 2nd Engineer. Now live in Fremantle WA and anyone who rmembers me can contact at cbandrew@iinet.net.au. Thanks for all the cameraderie and wonderful times spent over the years at sea. Jimmy.Posted on 12/07/2014 at 05:53:50

Hi there, Jimmy Andrew of Shaw Savill times from late 1957 to 1965. Ships New Australia ( 28th Eng ) Persic, Suevic, Runic, Southern Cross, Gothid and Suevic again, Finished as 2nd Engineer. Now live in Fremantle WA and anyone who rmembers me can contact at cbandrew@iinet.net.au. Thanks for all the cameraderie and wonderful times spent over the years at sea. Jimmy.Posted on 12/07/2014 at 06:00:34

Hi there, Jimmy Andrew of Shaw Savill times from late 1957 to 1965. Ships New Australia ( 28th Eng ) Persic, Suevic, Runic, Southern Cross, Gothid and Suevic again, Finished as 2nd Engineer. Now live in Fremantle WA and anyone who rmembers me can contact at cbandrew@iinet.net.au. Thanks for all the cameraderie and wonderful times spent over the years at sea. Jimmy.Posted on 12/07/2014 at 06:00:38

Hi there, Jimmy Andrew of Shaw Savill times from late 1957 to 1965. Ships New Australia ( 28th Eng ) Persic, Suevic, Runic, Southern Cross, Gothid and Suevic again, Finished as 2nd Engineer. Now live in Fremantle WA and anyone who rmembers me can contact at cbandrew@iinet.net.au. Thanks for all the cameraderie and wonderful times spent over the years at sea. Jimmy.Posted on 12/07/2014 at 06:00:40

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To George Holmes, I have sent you an e mail, so hope you can get it. Margeret is happy to have been in contact with you and would like also to know where Jim Wardle is now, who lived in New Zealand. Hope all is well, will look forward to hearing from you. Chris Downes, brother to Clive DownesPosted on 15/07/2014 at 07:52:46

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Hi boys(?) Graham Stephens here, anyone who remembers me I can be reached at; garrad25@bigpond.com Can someone confirm Harry Gibbons email please.Posted on 17/07/2014 at 08:55:25

Hi Jimmy Andrew,Tried to send you an Email but the adress seems to be incorrect can you check the one that you have put on this page.Harry Gibbons,Ex SSA lecky.Posted on 21/07/2014 at 16:41:17

Hi Jimmy Andrews,tried to send you an Email but the address you posted seems to be incorrect,would you check.My Email is harry.gibbons@tiscali.co.uk. Harry Gibbons,Ex Lecky SSA,Sth Cross and other shipsPosted on 21/07/2014 at 16:46:51

Did any of you know Micheal (shifty) Saunders? He moved from the Athenic to the Southern cross he was chief leckie on the Athenic, so I am assuming he was also the same on the cross, that would have been back in 67/68.Posted on 25/07/2014 at 07:22:35

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Greetings, Barney Robertson from Auckland N.Z. here, I joined the Athenic in Auckland 1964 as J. Eng Went to the Waiwera in 1965 stayed on her till she was sold to the Greeks on the Tyne in 1967. The Canopic was on the Tyne at the time so I did a trip o9n her before joining the Majestic. My last ship was the Amalric which was on the West Coast of the States run she was crewed by Chinese at the time with the Mates and Engineers were mostly living in Ak. I got married so I swallowed the anchor but still keep in touch with a lot of ex SSA personnel through the SSA Society. my email address if any one is interested is ifcrobertson@xtra.co.nz Posted on 28/07/2014 at 00:59:42

Greetings, Barney Robertson from Auckland N.Z. here, I joined the Athenic in Auckland 1964 as J. Eng Went to the Waiwera in 1965 stayed on her till she was sold to the Greeks on the Tyne in 1967. The Canopic was on the Tyne at the time so I did a trip o9n her before joining the Majestic. My last ship was the Amalric which was on the West Coast of the States run she was crewed by Chinese at the time with the Mates and Engineers were mostly living in Ak. I got married so I swallowed the anchor but still keep in touch with a lot of ex SSA personnel through the SSA Society. my email address if any one is interested is ifcrobertson@xtra.co.nz Posted on 28/07/2014 at 00:59:44

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HI All. My name is Clare Britcher, my Dad was Brian Sugden, who was with Royal Mail line, then SSA, then Furness Withy. I think he was on the Andes, I know he was CO on the Loch boats and Capt with the Prince Line. He was also in the last 6 months of the war on merchant Navy convoys as an officer cadet. I'm trying to find out whether he would have been eligible for a medal. He was always angry that the Merchant Navy didn't get the recognition it deserved. It now seems they are, and I would like to claim a medal in his memory. He died in 2007. Can anyone help?Posted on 02/11/2014 at 14:34:30

Hi again, Trevor Magnus here, I'd just like to thank this website, as the reason for reuniting me with an engineer from my Athenic days, we did 2 trips together in the late 60's, since seeing David Parkinson's comment on here I decided to make numerous phone calls to the Durham area, after 40 or so calls I finally found someone who knew him, we decided to meet at the Maritime museum in Hartlepool, it was quite a drive for me & my wife as we live in Norfolk, David & I now regularly email or phone, since my contact with David, I've also managed to contact Geoff Dams, an engineer, now living in Australia & Jim Kirby also a leckie, as I was, all this thanks to the internet, regards to all ex S S A shipmates Posted on 18/11/2014 at 19:44:34

My Dad, Michael Woolnough was a deck boy then a lamp trimmer, was on the Southern Cross sometime between 1959 to 1964. Does anyone remember him, he was 16 when he first started. He remembers a Bosun, but not his name, who may have been Lithuanian or Russian and died at sea (my Dad found him). My Dad would love to be able to get a name, maybe trace any relatives of this man who looked after him when he first went to sea. If anyone remembers my Dad, (still alive and telling me some great stories of his time at sea) or the Bosuns name please contact me. Stephen Woolnough email: smwoolnough@yahoo.co.ukPosted on 20/11/2014 at 00:14:24

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Merry Christmas and best wishes for a happy and safe New Year to all current and ex Seafarers and your families. John Davies (Hartlepool)Posted on 25/12/2014 at 12:32:19

hi my name is reginald gabbe Aussie I served o the .southern cross did 4 trips as ast steward then ast cinema steward an 2 tripps as cinema steward. master was Sir David Acheson chief officer was baber. .Iam 86 now my memory is a bit faded Chief steward was Ben Brown. we had a room behind the stage where leckys and others used to come and get draught beer it was a great ship to work on as I used to see my parents in Melbourne every time we docked rmgabbe@optusnet.com.auPosted on 30/12/2014 at 03:22:20

Hi Chris Downes Clive was C/O Cymric latter part of 63, I was deck apprentice then, deep sea he would come and make sure us two cadets were awake at 0630 and give us jobs for the day.He brought his cold toast for us in that the steward had given him when called! As George Holmes said she was a happy ship that trip. We were always treated very well by Clive and the other Officers on the ship. egards John Taylor retired NZ.Posted on 24/01/2015 at 01:21:17

I joined Shaw Savill in 1966,just before the seamans strike.I was relieving on the Zealandic during this time in Liverpool.We were given 30shillings a day,which went mainly on parties at night.After the strike I sailed on the Northern Star as 3rd Leckie, ( not a happy time ). From there to the Cymric, then Cretic, Ionic and Zealandic as 2nd Leckie, Fineally as 1st Leckie on the Ionic. I am now living in Sydney. Been here now 30yearsPosted on 11/02/2015 at 04:19:02

I forgot to put my name to the above comment, must be old age creeping in. Stewart RandellPosted on 11/02/2015 at 04:25:10

My uncle, William Allen, served as an engineer on SS Gothic. As a boy, I remember seeing a newspaper cutting of the Gothic after she had suffered a serious fire, off the coast of Wellington, New Zealand. I have been researching family history and would be grateful to anyone who served or knew of relatives who served either on SS Gothic and/or knew of William Allen. Gary Spicer Posted on 14/02/2015 at 23:54:36

Hi all, served on Northern Star 1967 did the round the world, great times and crew. Took time out to join BOAC as a steward retired 3000 as a Cabin Service Director Anybody out there remember me get in contact Kevin Woodford Gray(geordie) Kevin.woofordgray@Hotmail.Co.ukPosted on 17/02/2015 at 05:11:18

Hi Stewart Randell. I sail with you on the Zealandic 1969. We had some great nights ashore and ships parties, your favourite line was Sandie Shaw was a Dagenham Ladies Piper. I can still picture your happy smile can't say I ever saw you upset. Glad to know you still enjoying yourself. Regards Bill (Willie) Morrison 5/4th Eng.Posted on 24/02/2015 at 19:09:34

Hi Willie,I see aafm Bob Macey& Yorkie are on the site,.Been in touch with them.Have you heard from any of the others that were on that trip.Often wondered where they are now,the likes of Austin Housten, Billy Holmes,Jimmy Greeley and Lew the Chief Eng. Stewart Randell email stewart.r45@optusnet.com.au ps remember the Scandinavion trip when we sent you in to a certain shop to get some magsPosted on 03/03/2015 at 06:57:49

Hi,Sailed on Romanic as jun.eng.1966 to New Zealand after 3 months in Cardiff.Tony CoombsPosted on 08/03/2015 at 22:47:52

Hi Joined MV IONIC 1972 until 1976 as galley boy then DHU. Great times all over New Zealand. Still miss it. Eddie FordPosted on 09/03/2015 at 22:21:19

Hi I served as chief eleci on the Doric !958 to late 59. I will be in Liverpool in May abd would like to meet up with any like souls served around those dates, I started with SS in 1954, email jb.russell @bigpond.comPosted on 10/03/2015 at 02:31:39

Hi all served on the Delphic as second steward in 69 and subsequently worked by on the Akaroa, and Aranda in London before sailing on the Arawa for 4 voyages as Catering Officer.Transfered to the Southern cross for her cruising program out of Liverpool in 71, before joining the Ocean Monarch in Oct 71. Finished as Staff Chief Catering Officer just prior to her going to the breakers in November 74 Sailed with Townsend from 77 as Deputy Purser until made redundant in 81. Since then have sailed with captain Brian Hills on the Orient Express ( ship not train) out of venice as Purser and HM until she went back to the Baltic as a passenger ferry.Since then have sailed with Commodore Cruise Line, Crown Cruise Line, and until I retired in early 2006 with Royal Caribbean as Hotel Director on the legend of the seas. Wish I could do it all over again. Sailed with some wonderful characters.Best years ever. Best wishes to all. Fred De Cosse Fred_DC@HOTMAIL>COMPosted on 10/03/2015 at 20:14:02

My husband was Chief accountant in the office of Shaw Savill Line in Ledenhall Street, London. His uncle's father was the founder of the Line. John Macmillan. He started with the sailing ships going to Australia and New Zealand. He was a very large impressive man....He put one of his two sons to be chairmans of BP in Jersey and the other, underwriter at Lloyds and chairman of a large Insurance Company in London. I believe it was Leslie and Goldwin ? It is so long ago ! I and my husband, with other office staff, we went to have the first voyage on the Souther Cross. Beautiful ship ! Also went on the Tamaroa, when she was refitted in Liverpool ?I knew all the management staff in the London office, and from my husband, learn a lot of what happened during the II world war to the office in London.. He was in the army, in North Africa, and advanced up through Italy, where I was employed as an accountant to take care of the CLU. We married in Italy in 1946 and Honymooned in Venice. I have sadly lost him now. After being married for 64 happy years. rita.moss@virginmedia.comPosted on 16/03/2015 at 12:03:04

Hi All, My name is Harry Brown, I joined the Delphic as third electrician in 1961-62 and was lucky enough to do a round the world trip taking over 11 months.We dry docked in Antwerp in one of the coldest winters on record then to Spain, Genoa, Suez, Djubouti, Trincomallee, Freemantle, Melbourne, Sidney where we broke a transverse beam and had to do the remainder of the trip on 4 cyclinders, Newcastle, Cairns, then to New Zealand both north and South Islands, Panama, Charleston, New York, Boston, Montreal and then home. My best mates were Tony Boroughs and Ron Wheelwright but time has dimmed my memory for the names of others. Great times and would love to hear from anyone who sailed with me Posted on 14/04/2015 at 20:23:55

Hi Harry,Ron Wheelwright here,still ticking over. Remember you and Tony, Burrows as well as lots more. Happy times, hard to believe it was fifty years ago. Hard to forget transverse beam going with a lot of noise,we had just finished standby and were cracking a can of Barclays blue i think we were in Tony''s cabin and had to climb over Stan Nicholl who was going below backwards to investigate,mayhem. Sammy Cappie,Colin Thayne, Alec Mcintosh, Willie Fernie,Les Price chief fridge,and your two electrical buddies Brian Smith and Bryn, Les died a few years ago,still liked his drink,worked at Hartlepool steelworks as did I. Pennywell is where you lived as I recall. Nice to hear from you Posted on 04/05/2015 at 15:42:31

Any one know of Nick Smith, Cadet Cretic 1958-59 where is he now ? catesby@btinternet.com Posted on 23/05/2015 at 12:23:26

Just found this website and read many comments from many folks. Finally found a name I recognised Fred De Cosse, I joined the monarch in Feb 73 in Sydney on a crew change. We had to be put up in a hotel until she limped into Sydney 3 days late with a 15 degree list. This was my first trip to sea and I stayed with her to the end. You were my chief catering officer at some point.Skippers were Capt. Brian Hills &Fred Dickinson. Other folk I remember were Bob Thorpe and Peter "Bingo" Houseman, Jeanie Hiley. I have some pictures of good times as a young lad. Anybody who remembers me please feel free to get in touch at chris.catherine@btinternet.com Regards Chris NewbonPosted on 25/05/2015 at 21:53:13

to Stewart A Randell do you remember "Alex" or 'Alec' from the Cretic (visited Wellington NZ from say 68 - 71) and what his surname was? (Nothing bad just wondered as I had a couple of outings with him). Leigh Nnmspc@yahoo.comPosted on 31/05/2015 at 00:10:48

Kia ora from NZ. wondering if anyone can help my husband and i find his birth Father. Vernon Watson. He was in Wellington NZ during early 1971 and we think is from Liverpool. Evidently he jumped ship and got in trouble. Or you may remember his Mother Kathy or Katarina Montgomery or she may have used Kaka as her surname. A pretty young maori woman. If anyone can help us it would be amazing as our efforts have been fruitless thus far. please email brigette_2000_nz@yahoo.com with any information that can help us. Thank you. BrigettePosted on 09/07/2015 at 13:17:44

Wonderful to see so many contributors to this website ~ and wonder why so many of you have not joined the Shaw Savill Society in UK or NZ ~ where we still gather at reunions to share the wonderful memories of our days at sea ~ so long ago. Further to my previous posting regarding the next NZ Reunion ~ it will not now be in Napier as previously indicated but will be held in Auckland at Mercure Hotel, formerly South Pacific Hotel (snakepit which was one of our watering holes) on the last weekend of April 2016 (29/30April) If anyone wishes to join our group ~ please email me at brandane69@yahoo.co.uk The UK Society will hold their next Reunion in Southampton in March 2016 Cheers Jamie Shedden (ex Purser staff SX/Arawa/NS NZ Branch Shaw Savill Society Posted on 19/07/2015 at 03:16:27

To Tony Coombs ex Romanic Surprise surprise a name from the past... Try December 1966 in New Plymouth...Christmas Party quite a session along with Roger Lescom, Allan Patton, yourself, Tommy Cassidy, Mike Gascoigne, Lenny Hamilton and yours truly Joe Brown Rel 2ndEng Nice to know that not everyone has fallen off their respective perches You can't act me via brandane69@yahoo.co.uk If you reside in the UK I'm heading there in a couple of weeks and if you are one of the fortunate to have moved down under we can perhaps catch up in Aickland next year at the SS & A reunion Regards. Joe BrownPosted on 19/07/2015 at 07:07:31

I've just discovered this website and when flicking through, came across Clive Downes' name. I sailed with him in Coptic in 1956. We were a voyage of first trippers (in respective ranks). Clive was 3/o, Angus McDougal was 2/0, Ian Macintosh C/o, Roger Frisby Master. I was 4/0. Not one of my happier voyages! I notice that George Holmes with whom I sailed in Iberic in 1961 sailed with Clive some years later. - Warwick ThomsonPosted on 19/07/2015 at 10:02:26

I did my first trip to sea as engineering cadet on the Southern Cross in Sept 1969. My most vivid memory is a junior leckie on his first trip, not understanding how the starters operated on the huge refrigeration machines, proceeded to force each one in turn to see if it worked... all seven did. He then used his 3" long tiny electrical screw driver to push home the main breaker... there was a loud bang, a huge flash and the surge caused one of the ships generators to trip out. He lost every hair on his arm and most of his eyebrows ! Oh how I remember the days before health and safety ! I was welcomed on board by Jimmy McDermot from Glasgow, a 5th Engineer. I also met other leckies Dave Thompson and Peter Hayes. Who remembers Tony Lloyd 2nd Eng, and Tennyson Williams the 3rd freezer. I stood by on the Derwent (formerly Persic) in the Victoria dock for 3 months in 1971 before taking her to scrap in Spain. Once we were away from the dock we opened the bar which had been sealed by customs, we only had 3 days to empty it. Then we were put up in an hotel in Spain because our plane was late returning us to London. What a party. Michael(shifty) Saunders was on board. Most of us then joined Suevic and departed Liverpool in December 1971, my last trip. Anyone remember Peter Bryan (Biggles).It was Jimmy Mcdermot who gave me the nickname "bullet" on the Suevic because I was so slow. I would like a decent photograph of the Southern Cross. Paul Twyford paultwyford @btinternet.com Posted on 14/08/2015 at 21:53:38

I was on the Northern Star from 1967 to 1974 a great time of my life, lots of good memories (Bad ones too). Anyone remember Link Jefferys, Dave stringer, George Patterson , Ricky Dobbs or Joan Redmound. Ian Huggins manager@suncityelks.orgPosted on 02/09/2015 at 22:43:14

Worked on Northern Star 1971-1973 ~ remember Linc Jeffreys ~ think he lives in Australia now ~ if you want get in touch with him ~ can try to get his email . Cheers Jamie ( Shaw Savill Society, NZ Branch) Posted on 14/09/2015 at 02:45:40

Hi Jamie, He use to live in Bondi but if you could fined his email that would be great. Thank you for responding. ( Ian U.S.A. )Posted on 15/09/2015 at 01:59:34

Hi. I am Ian Conway. Sailed on the Ionic as a Navigating Cadet in 68. The only name I can remember is Spike the bosun. Any shipmates out there?Posted on 15/09/2015 at 23:08:38

68/69 northern stars kitchen gun port doors was hit by a big wave, flooded out the kitchen and aft restaurant at 3am we had to clean it all up by breakfast, oh what good times? Ian Huggins manager@suncityelks.orgPosted on 16/09/2015 at 03:50:54

Hey Jamie ,were you a purser on n.star in 1967 if so I was a very young pursers boy in '67. Ian U.S.A.Posted on 16/09/2015 at 22:50:04

A SMALL WORLD At the age of 15 my first trip to sea was on the M.V. Majestic in 1966 . Being the youngest on the ship I soon found out what crossing the line ceremony was all about, it was a rough first trip but I survived as we all did. After the majestic I joined the S.S. Northern Star , I was on her for 7 years...... a very good 7 years , But booze got the better of me so I left the sea........ 10 years later I wanted to go back to sea, so I called the person from Shaw Savill I knew from H.R. or Personnel Department Richard Ayling ( great Guy ) he recruited me from the N.S.T.S. he told me to get in touch with George Kaz who I knew from the Star as the Chief Steward late 60's early 70's and who at that time was the Chief Hotel Manager for Royal Caribbean Cruise Line, He also married a Steiner girl (Linda). George opened a few doors for me to join R.C.C.L. it was on the Song of America in '88 that I meet again the 2nd Steward 22 years that was on the Majestic and is now Hotel Manager. A small world. I now live in Phoenix, Arizona. where I meet a Lady and was talking about cruises only to find out she knew Tony Very well and the sad news was he had past away 2 year's ago. JUST A SMALL WORLD. Ian (U.S.A.)Posted on 23/09/2015 at 23:05:06

security questions are ambiguous~!!Posted on 28/09/2015 at 23:50:26

Hi Ian Your name certainly is very familiar to me "Bells" as we used to call you! I worked by NS on two occasions in 1967 and joined Southern Cross in Dec 67 as Junior Purser. You may recall another junior by name of Roger Shambrook who sailed on NS ~ he only worked one voyage and left the Company. I sailed on NS for one off Med Cruise in July 1968 ~ we had about 15 pursers on board ! Rejoined NS mid 1971 till I finished mid 1973 ~ then moved to NZ Cheers JamiePosted on 29/09/2015 at 00:01:21

Hi Ian George Kaz is personal friend, now aged 91, and has lived in Wallasey Retirement Home for Merchant Seaman since his wife Linda passed away. Both George ~ and Richard Ayling still attend the Shaw Savill Society UK Reunions in Southampton every year. Another ex Shaw Savill Catering Officer, who became Hotel Manager with RCCL was Fred DeCosse ~ I am sure you knew him? Eddie Christie, Shop Manager, sends his good wishes to you ~ he lives in Melbourne, and has given me Linc's email which I will send to your personal email. Cheers JamiePosted on 29/09/2015 at 00:11:14

Hi Jamie, my ex-wife and I spent a great day with George & Linda at there Hotel on the I of w does George still love his Gin! Yes i think i remember Fred & Eddie . Please if any one sees Richard Ayling or George send them my fondest regards. I wish I could come to one of the reunions in Southampton......when is the next one. Ian (u.s.a.)Posted on 29/09/2015 at 22:35:08

Hi Ian I can contact George and pass on your kind wishes ~ and maybe able to contact Richard too ~ will let you know . Next UK Reunion will be in March 2016 in Southampton and in Auckland end of April 2016 ~ would be great if you can make the UK one . Now I have your email address ~ can email the last UK newsletter to you. Cheers JamiePosted on 29/09/2015 at 23:35:17

Hi Jamie I'm going to try and make the Reunion in March '16 and for some reason I can't open the news letter and I thank you for getting Lincs email we have had a memories fest and he is still in contact with so many old pals it makes the heart feel so good. Thanks again Jamie. Ian (U.S.A.)Posted on 30/09/2015 at 18:44:02

Hi Ian Have been in touch with Mick Gallagher A/S ~ he looks after George and had lunch with him yesterday ~ he will pass on your good wishes when they meet again on Friday. Will try to send newsletter again using different format ~ I can get the UK secretary to send you details of the UK Reunion if you dont already have them. So pleased you are in touch with Linc again ~ did you also know Glen Harris? Cheers Jamie (NZ)Posted on 30/09/2015 at 22:11:09

Hey Jamie, What would old sea dogs do without you to helping them finding there pals...... Thank you from all of us. Linc has given me Glens email and I'm sure I will get with him soon. Thanks Ian (U.S.A.)Posted on 30/09/2015 at 22:51:30

Hi Jamie, I got Glens email address and have just talked to him, I also got two other old pals email adds and I have just found a photo of one of them and myself down Boogie street, Singapore in1969 " cool ha ". Ian (u.s.a. )Posted on 02/10/2015 at 22:21:31

Hi Ian My pleasure to assist to reunite old ship mates if I can ~ I had Glen's email but you never mention his name. Maybe you should encourage Linc, Glen and other shipmates to come to NZ for our Reunion in Auckland in April next year ~ easier for them to travel to NZ than UK. Must have had fun time in Boogie St in 1969 ~ its not the same now ~ no atmosphere like the old days. Can just imagine you guys have lots to catch up and share many ales together. Always great to hear from you, Cheers JamiePosted on 06/10/2015 at 01:21:02

Hey Jamie, Auckland in April is not a bad idea as I have a sister-in-law that lives in Nelson N.Z. It would make a great vacation...... wasn't there a Bar called the Snake Pit on queen Street in Auckland ,Trust me to think of a bars name after 42 years!~ as for meeting up with the others for the reunion I can only ask. thanks Ian ( U.S.A. )Posted on 07/10/2015 at 17:11:27

Hi Ian The Snake Pit was the lower bar in The South Pacific Hotel in Customs Street ~ entrance was off Queen Street ~ the venue for our 2016 Reunion is the Mercure Hotel, formerly the South Pacific Hotel ~ the Snake Pit long gone ~ but recall it was seamens (semen) dive in those days. Downtown Auckland is very much changed from these seedy days ! Can send you application form and info ~ if you are interested to attend ~ need to know numbers by end of November ~ so you have 7 weeks to discuss with the others if possibility to meet up in Auckland. Nelson is beautiful location in Marlborough in the heart of grape growing district and, of course, vineyards!! Cheers JamiePosted on 08/10/2015 at 23:57:01

Does anyone remember my dad, Pat Mulhern, who was steward/purser on many of the ships named here in the 50's to the 70's?Posted on 27/10/2015 at 13:21:30

Hi, Alan Clutterbuck [Kiwi from Christchurch] I joined Shaw Savills Persic at Lyttelton 10-12-64 as Junior Engineer, did a trip out to Australia and left her 28-6-65 after a stint in Hamburg on the floating dock.Joined Suevic 16-7-65, returning home to N Z 2-9-65. Picked up the Southern Cross at Wellington 5-8-66,leaving her 14-12-66 [she was my favourite ship, great crew. Stood by Persic, Ionic and did coastal voyages. Joined Northern Star 27-4-67, one voyage and finished with SSA 12-7-67. Emigrated to South Africa and served with Unicorn Shipping Co as 2nd Eng around the coast, before returning to NZ as PASSENGER on the Northern Star July 67, still had a few old mates there. Sailed with Northern Steamship Co around NZ and Union Steamship Co on Pacific and Australian voyages. Now retired and living in Nelson NZPosted on 28/10/2015 at 00:15:30

Hi Alan ~ great to read comments about your Shaw Savill career especially Southern Cross being your favourite ship as she was mine too ~ having spent most of my 6 years with Shaw Savill, on board Southern Cross. Think you are good candidate to become member of our Shaw Savill Society which has been operating in NZ for almost 40 years. Our next reunion is in April 2016 and would be great to welcome you aboard. I sailed on both Southern Cross and Northern Star but after you leave the Company in 1967. If interested in joining our group ~ most of whom are engineers ~ you must know some ~ then contact me at brandane69@yahoo.co.uk Cheers Jamie, Shaw Savill Society NZ Branch. Posted on 05/11/2015 at 23:33:30

Hi All my name is Mike Kelly from Dagenham Essex i Joined the Merchant Navy went to the NSTC Vindicatrix in 1966 i was just 16 in the same year i joined the Blue Star shipping company met Lord Vestey as well and joined the Tasmanian Star i done 1 trip to Australia and New Zealand then i Joined Shaw Savill and Albion line i meet Richard Ayling many times a very nice guy he never forgot Names and Faces , i joined the SS Athenic and collected general cargo around the coast and went to Australia and New Zealand on board as passengers was Lord and Lady Clifford very nice people ,i done i trip then joined the Iberic and went to Australia and New Zealand then i joined the Doric, by this time i had gone from Catering Boy to assistant Steward and then i was on the Akaroa and then i was promoted to Second steward i was the youngest in the merchant navy ,i was also on the Iberic , Iceanic , and Ionic, then i changed and joined Iron ore carrier's MV Baltic Ore and the MV Llindisfarn plus the MV Sugar Transporter and Sugar Exporter it was Great working for SS&A they were my best years and i Remember the Snake Pit , Ma Gleeson's ,the British Bar in Lyttleton Nz Plus Monty's Bar in Oz . i would like to mention a second steward who was in charge of me with SS&A Paddy or Pat Mc Clearan also i met and dealt with John Prescott in the shipping Pool for union Subs before i was on contract he became Deputy Labour Leader he wasn't nice then , i had great times and i hope some of the guys are still alive i am now a Commissioning manager for the Oil companies Shell Total Petronas etc and traveled all over the world great experience Thanks Mike Kelly Posted on 20/12/2015 at 19:53:59

My name is Alan Mason and I'm very sad to report the passing of my father Thomas Mason from Glasgow who served as 1st Electrical Officer on a number of Shaw Saville ships from 29th Jan 57 - 22nd Mar 1962 including Gothic, Karamea, Alaric, Carnatic, Arabic, Suevic, Carnatic, Delphic, Canopic, Doric, Athenic, Waiwera, Cretic, Icenic, Aramaic, Oedric, and finally Iberic. He left Shaw Saville a month before my arrival in April 1962. I only wish I had found out more about his time in the Merchant Navy before he died and not in preparation for his funeral.Posted on 21/12/2015 at 01:54:03

Great to see SS&A here was with them for a few trips Ionic Iberic , Carnatic , Persic and jumped the Canopic on Xmas day 69 great company and great crowds happy (daze) days on the Aussie and Kiwi coasts Bob GOURLAY 21 12 15 Posted on 22/12/2015 at 19:00:06

HI Bill Russell here. I joined the NewAustralia in July 1955 starting as 7th lecki in 1955, in August 1956 after 5 trips to Australia carrying migrants, 1 trip to Japan repatriating troops back to Australia and ! trip to Malta carrying troops for the ill fated Suez debacle, I left the New Australia as 3 rd leki in November 1956 and joined the Athenic as 2nd leki I left the Athenic in 1957 and joined the Taranaki as 1st leki for 1 voyage. In late 1957. I joined the Doric and served on her until 1959. I requested a one way trip to Australia, it turned out that one mans misfortune is anothers gooluck in that an eleki on another ship had broken his leg so I sailed on the Ceramic to Sydney.I regret never having meeting the guy. If you are out there, I live at The Gap in Brisbane my names in the phone book. Best regards Bill Russell Posted on 27/12/2015 at 04:34:09

Hi Mike Kelly Enjoyed reading your early days with Shaw Savill from Catering Boy to Assistant Steward ~ and your recollection of Richard Ayling ~ I am sure he would love to meet you again ~ although from age 16 till now ~ he may not remember your face as he did in those days, Richard is a member of UK Shaw Savill Society and regularly attends the Reunions held each March in Southampton ~ next one 18-20March. If interested can put you in touch with UK secretary . You have certainly come a long way from Catering Boy to Commissioning Manager for the Oil Companies ~ great to hear your story. All the Best, Jamie Shedden, Shaw Savill Society NZ Posted on 02/01/2016 at 23:16:26

Hi Bob Gourley ~ where did you jump ship ~ can I assume you are in NZ or Aust? You have experienced quite a few ships of Shaw Savill ~ would love to hear some your tales ~ and why you jumped from our lovely Canopic. UK Reunion 18-20March in Southampton or NZ/Aust Society Reunion in Auckland 29April this year ~ let me know if interested and can send details. Cheersz Jamie Shedden, Shaw Savill Society NZPosted on 02/01/2016 at 23:25:12

I would be interested to hear from anybody who worked in the Galley of the Ocean Monarch between july 1974 to August 1975 a short but memorable time in my life. Tony HarrisPosted on 04/01/2016 at 19:56:50

Hi Jamie Shedden jump ed the Canopic on Christmas Day in Sydney 69 lived in Potts Point with 3 girls for a while and later moved up country for a short time , eventually came back DBS on Canopic , after committee joined a Buries Markes job (Shaftsbury ) retired 2years ago at 66 but always had great affection for SS&A live in Torquay now so Southampton looks good Posted on 05/01/2016 at 18:45:21

Hi Bob ~ if interested in attending UK Reunion in Southampton in March ~ please email me at brandane69@yahoo.co.uk and I can pit you in touch with UK secretary, Cheers JamiePosted on 12/01/2016 at 03:28:14

Hi I'm Bob Torrens served on the Ocean Monarch as Junior Engineer, 1973 - 1976 (roughly) took her to scrap Taiwan remember Tony Hurley, dougie, Mike Richardson mad times Posted on 13/01/2016 at 22:06:43

Hi. I'm Roger Walker and I qualified as a Marconi Sparks in 1963. My first trip was on the Delphic from Sept 63 to March 64 UK to Australia and back. I then moved around to various shipping companies, principally 2 years 1964 to 66 with Blue Star. In 1969 I was on the Cedric and met the lady who was to become my wife until she passed away in 2003. From 1971 to 72 I was with the Union Steamship Company until coming ashore in 1972. I have been living in Havelock North (near Napier) New Zealand since 1971. I'm afraid I don't recall many names from those days but find this a fascinating site, which I have only just discovered.Posted on 18/01/2016 at 02:25:41

Hello again Trevor Magnus here, I did 3 trips on the Athenic 1967 to 69, as 3rd & second leckie, I have managed to contact some of the engineers I sailed with, namely Jim Kirby (leckie) David Parkinson (engineer) & Geoff Dams, (engineer) who lives in Australia, I have visited David a couple of times near Durham, it's quite a trip, as I live near the coast in Norfolk, it was great to chat about times, if anybody recognizes any of the names, leave a message on here & I can pass it on.Posted on 23/01/2016 at 17:32:58

Hi Trevor I live in Brisbane Australia and sailed with Shaw Savill on the Athenic among others. If Geoff Dams is anywere close give me a buzz. Bill Russell IPosted on 03/02/2016 at 04:37:35

Hi Jamie Shedden yes if i am around on the 18/3/16 i would like to attend the reunion can you give me the details. all the best Mike T Kelly Posted on 06/02/2016 at 11:29:05

Hi Jamie Shedden my email is mtpkned@yahoo.com many thanks Mike T KellyPosted on 06/02/2016 at 11:49:24

I am a writer researching the sailing of the Southern Cross between Wellington, New Zealand and Sydney, Australia in January, 1964. On January 12 the Quartermaster was buried at sea. Appreciate if anyone can direct me to where I may obtain more information about that event. Thanks Posted on 06/02/2016 at 22:16:44

Message to Bill Russell, Currently Geoff is touring Australia, but he is on Facebook, if you use Facebook, you could send him a friends request, regards Trevor.Posted on 09/02/2016 at 07:47:58

Bonny Lad, Cretic. Good to hear from you after all these years. Drop me an email, I have several photos with both of us on them - I can email you a copy. email address is jw.marine@hotmail.co.ukPosted on 10/02/2016 at 18:25:55

Bonny Lad, Cretic. Yes, I remember the tragic accident in Genoa. Remember Tahiti well too - Quinn`s Bar and Hinano Tahiti beer, the Banque de L`Indochine in Papeete where the large banknotes were works of art. I believe we stopped at Pitcairn Island too but had to anchor off to discharge cargo. Pity, getting ashore there would have been interesting. I remember well Les Haxell, Wee Eddie, Trevor, Chalky White the Chief and all the others. Funny how after all these years I can still see them clearly in my mind. Look forward to hearing from you. John W.Posted on 10/02/2016 at 19:04:57

Hi Jamie Shedden i would like to attend the Reunion on the 20march in Southampton i just need the address and time my email is mtpkned@yahoo.com all the best Mike T KellyPosted on 13/02/2016 at 20:22:32

Hi reading with interest all thoughts etc of Shaw Seville Line. I sailed on M.V Alaric from March 1967 to 23 Jun 1968 which was one voyage. After which l sailed on the M.V. Brittanic August 1968 to December 1970. I sailed in the Capacity as Greaser. I now resided in Cape Town for the last 35 years and retired from sea with the rank of Chief Engineer Coasting. Anyone recall me from those days ? James Black ( formly from Hull )Posted on 21/02/2016 at 20:39:31

would love to meet up or make contact with old shipmates, who too would be old like me. My name is peter Manuel and was on Karamea in 1959, wairangi, ionic, dominium monach, then turned traitor and went to royal mail lines. email me at petengill@yahoo.co.ukPosted on 09/03/2016 at 10:27:12

Just fond this web site and noticed a post from Womble. I was second engineer on the Megantic when you sailed on her. My wife was with me as we had just got married. You came up in the conversation when we were talking about going ashore in Cristobal. We live in Oz now. Cheers Len MichaelsPosted on 06/04/2016 at 04:20:10

hi when i was 18 i met david senglow in new plymouth we were just friends having a good time as you do when you are younger i also have a photo some where of trevor cowland john he was a tall guy with gingery fair hair and another guy can't remember his name i just want to know if david is still alive here is my email address if anyone has any information r.mackles@xtra.co.nzPosted on 15/04/2016 at 13:24:11

I have written several replies on the various letters in this website. but non of then have ever reached there destination. I will see what happens to this one.Posted on 21/04/2016 at 13:33:13

hi My name is George Mitchell. I will soon be 75. Lost my wife two years ago. so I decided to enter the modern world once again. I bought myself a lap top. I now spend a lot of time surfing the net.as they say. I came across this website.just typed in SHAW SAVILL and up it popped. I read through the comments and was surprised to regognise all of the ships and many of the engineers names. Upon completing my apprenticeship in ABERDEEN I decided to join the merchant navy. as was the way with most of the shipyard apprentices. I wrote a letter to the Shaw Savill dock office looking for a job as a junior engineer. I was not really expecting an answer,but low and behold I received a telegram from FRED SIBLEY.( Very few phones then) telling me he would be in ABERDEEN the next day on other matters. I could meet him in the railway station waiting room. I went to the waiting room,seen two other lads who iinnn recognised.they were also waiting for FRED . he arrived off the LONDON train on time. He interviewed us all together.checked my apprenticeship papers.evening class certs, and B.O.T. grading. He gave me a job. right away because of my GRADING and I could start right away. I met one of the other lads in Shaw Savill later on. Fred gave me a rail warrant to London My career in the Merchant Navy had begun. I arrived at the dock office. was interviewed by John Heighway, eng supt. Fred Sibley took me over to the WAIWERA. 6TH SEPT 1962 I was given a cabin 8TH engineer. then shown round the engine room by an Australian junior engineer. it was an awesome sight'. I had never seen or imagined engines of that size. B and W. double acting two stroke. Three pistons operating in the one cyl. the ships I had been working on, the generator engines would have been a main engine. Luckily for me they were British Polar engines which I had worked on for three years. I have seen names in the comments. ie. BOB LITTLE . JOHN DAVIES ANGUS.?(all elects) FRED NORDEN, CH.ENG. TOMMY HOY 2ND ENG to name a few. I was normally known as George the accordion player. Many a good party was held on board. and sometimes we were invited to parties ashore. complete with accordion especially.in BLUFF. New Zealand. I remember the 3rd eng phoned the nurses home in INVERCARGIL to arrange a party. minutes after the call was completed the girls in the Bluff telephone exchange asked if they could come as well. no problem I finally left the WAIWERA FEB 64.same time as BOBLITTLE I have always believed the WAIWERA gave me the best training ever.if it could happen,it did. The engine room crews worked hard and played hard .everbody pulled together to get thie ship going again. no matter who they were.. it was only when I moved to other vessels that I found out that severe scavenge fires were not the normal. one sat night we were all watching our weekly movie when a scavenge fire occurred the movie screen which was slung between two Sampson posts was set on fire with the hot carbon from the funnel. I recall these to be the best days of my life when I was free and single all the best from George MitchellPosted on 21/04/2016 at 18:16:03

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once again I have typed in a long posting that has not gone anywhere. my name is George Mitchell Going back to my posting 21.04.16 Scavenge fires were nearly daily routine. the engine room panic alarm would sound in the engineers accomodation all the off duty men knew what had to be done.increase lub.to the cylinders, fire pump on and hoses made ready. The area between the engine tops and skylight would be full off smoke and fumes.lucky if you could see 10 ; 15 feet. The on watch staff would slow the engine down .as much as possible. must not stop or the engine could seize. all temp controls were by hand. if the engine liner cooling water cooled down to quickly the liner seals would start to leak water. the con rod guide bolts also started leaking oil. which would end up getting washed off the engine into the bilges and floor plates Some fires could last more than an hour.when this happened you could open the scavenge drains.to check If you got a flame it was not out. if you only got smoke and a bucket full of piston ring pieces.it was ok to increase speed again. the main indicator was if the piston cooling oil was reaching 180 deg fah. we would have to stop and rering the main pistons.. a scavenge port inspection gave us a guide to the condition. many of the pistons would have no piston rings whatever.When that was the case we had to stop. the engine. all engine room staff went on 6 hours on and 6 hours off for days on end. Reduce power on the remaining engine.could not chance that one being down also.the biggest time consumer was cleaning and unblocking the liner scavenge ports.and having to manual grind down the piston rings to fit the grooves also clearing the cylinder lubrication ports in the liner Upon completion the engine would be restarted depending at what time of the day the watchkeepers would take over the watch and the others could take a break. in my eight years in Shaw Savill this was the only ship I had experienced scavenge fires. all the liners were worn causing the rings to break. I notice on other comments an engineer had stood by in Belfast during a refit. they had a scavenge fire between Belfast and London he told JOHN HEIGHWAY where to stick his ship. this is just an insight into what a scavenge fire is. Many seagoing engineers have heard of them but don't appreciate what they could be. looking back its surprising the results could have been worse, what would the health and safe do if this was today. regards once again. hope it goes somewhere this time GEORGE MITCHELL i . Posted on 24/04/2016 at 00:47:14

I write some long comments to the web site only on two occasion they have got through and one test got through. I will try this one ANYBODY Any ideas. sometimes it comes up as site expired George Mitchell Posted on 25/04/2016 at 15:50:06

once again my posting has not gone anywhere. give up for now GeorgePosted on 25/04/2016 at 18:40:10

from GEORGE MITCHELL I was transferred from dirty workhouse WAIWERA to the spotless Suevic. as 2nd. refridge engineer. Outward bound was fine as I had to service or overhaul the generator engines or any thing else as required. .homeward bound was taking hold temperatures C.O.2 readings defrosting the cooler stacks in the vent trunking and telling the engine room to pump the hold bilges after defrosting. the main concern of the Chief Freezer engineer was that the fridge machinery space deck was washed properly. inspected each morning when he came down I found this a totally boring job. I asked FRED SIBLEY for a transfer back to a motor ship as I required sea time to sit my 2nd engs exams. I stayed for the discharge and loadind then went on leave. My memory of the actual engine room is everybody had very clean white boiler suits, all big heavy guys. I put on over a stone in weight over a few months nothing abnormal happened on that trip just normal 4 on 8 off. made time drag.. I was on board March 64 till Sept 64, I returned to join the ALARIC as 4TH ENG .in November 1964. Maybe the website times out so ive typed this shorter comment. here goes, George MitchellPosted on 25/04/2016 at 19:37:12

Hi George ~ all your postings are on the webpage for all to view ~ I am sure you will get response soon. Tom Hoy is one of the members in NZ Branch of Shaw Savill Society ~ and I will see him this weekend at our Reunion. I am sure he will be happy to contact you after the weekend. Cheers Jamie Shedden, Shaw Savill Society NZ Posted on 25/04/2016 at 23:22:27

THE last attempt did not go anywhere. type it in again and have another try. got plenty time on my hands George Joined ALARIC AS 4th eng NOV 64 till NOV 65 This was a newer ship than the Waiwera. She had B and W single acting opposed piston main engines. far simpler than the double acting version on a previous ship. It burned heavy oil rather than diesel. this meant the oil had to be hot. using more steam. the 4th engineer was responsible for moving the fuel round the ship. taking bunkers ect. He was also responsible for servicing the engine fuel valves and fuel oil purifiers, all this kept me busy all of the time, Never seen a scavenge fire whlle I was there. nearly a year. at the end of the 2nd voyage I asked FRED SIBLEY if I could stay with the ship till she sailed ,then go relieving till the end of the year as I wanted to go to college to try for my 2nds certificate. he duly agreed. this was starting in my home town of ABERDEEN in JANUARY;.65 I completed the course. passed all the BOT exams I then used up the leave due from the ALARIC . I came back to London just in time for the seamans strike the vessel was due to sail when FRED contacted me and asked me to sail as 3rd engineer. something serious had happened to the ships on 3rd eng. With all the help FRED had given me I immediately agreed. also I wanted the experience; as that was the only rank I had not sailed in plus it was nearly a new ship. The 3rd was responsible for the generator engine maintenance at sea. We sailed early JULY 66, ON the way to Austrailia we were told it would be a double header. DISCHARGE AUSTRALIA, Load NEW ZEALAND Discharge East coast AMERICA , ballast back to N.Z. then back to UK, This did not bother me but it caused a problem for the CHIEF ENGINEER. I will try and send this, see if it goes anywhere GEORGE mITCHELLPosted on 25/04/2016 at 23:25:40

Continue my voyage memories of the shaw savill years George Mitchell the problem with the CHIEF ENGINER was he had arranged to get married when he got home, if the ship was on a normal trip. Just before leaving New Zealand he arranged. for his girl to come to New York and they would be married. there. and she could join him for the rest of the trlip I think I remember some of her family being there, but im not sure. All went well. they were married in a church on Wall Street. beside the stock market. The New York seamans mission supplied a bus to take the officers to the church and back.to the ship..The ship laid on a good spread. with a party after We completed the unloading.and departed for New Zealand..Not long after we received a message to RETURN to LONDON.for loading. I found the MEDIC to be a fantasic ship.At sea it was my job to maintain the generator engines also take sets of indicator cards . from the main engines.. work out the power being supplied by each cylinder, Give the information to the chief engineer. then adjust fuel pumps as required, Take another set to confirm adjustments. this would be done every couple of weeks Being a new ship there was lots of new modern equipment I had not seen before. ie. vacuam watermakers. and automatic watertube aux.boilers, press the button and go.its when you pressed the button and it did not go the problems started. Also there were computers on the prop shafts that worked out the B,H,P. and daily revolutions I only did the one trip as the original 3rd rejoined in LONDON. I was there JULY 66 till OCT 66 Went on leave then rejoined AFRIC in AVONMOUTH. FIRST TRIP AS 2ND ENGINNER . all the best again George MitchellPosted on 26/04/2016 at 16:32:47

Voyage memories continued George Mitchell Fred Sibley contacted me to join the AFRIC. as 2ND ENG. This was on Friday afternoon. , He wanted me there for Monday morning. The ship was expected to sail Wednesday. My first problem was I didn't know where AVONMOUTH was .Decided quickest way was ABERDEEN , LONDON.BRISTOL,AVONMOUTH. Eventually arrived on board.found the previous 2nd had decided the ship was not for him. and he left. I talked to the chief engineer who said he was new to the ship as well. I then had a look round the engine room.met the engineers I was dismayed to find WAIWERA was a palace in comparison to this one.first obvious thing is the place was very dark.looking at the lighting every thing was covered in fumes. you could smell it soon as you opened the engine room door. Looked around and found the fumes were coming from the generator engine that was running. I got a hold of the 3rd engineer. he assured me this was the best of the four.but they had just received enough spares to rebuild the four engines. he said they could still handle the load required. looking around a lot of the pumps were leaking seals and the fridge cooling pumps were missing all together these had been linked into another system. I also found out thie single main engine was prone to scavenge fires. A lot of work had been recently done in the shipyard.so it should be OK now..I also found the ship has recently left a shipyard in Germany. Earlier in the year the ship was in Hamburg. on the way down the river she got rammed. received a lot of damage. this was repaired. on leaving she got rammed by another vessel. again being severly damaged. This was her first deep sea trip. on the whole the engine room was pretty poor condition. I gathered the engineers together so the could meet me and I could meet them. thinking if this ship was for me as a first.time second. Decided this is what I was trained for so just jumped in at the deep end. We sailed on time. The third engineer was a tremendous help This was a M.A.N. SINGE DIESEL ENGINE. ( NEVER SEEN ONE BEFORE).He gave me a quick Run down how it started, stopped and went astern etc,also it was the first main engine that run on diesel then changed to heavy oil after full away THATS US LEFT Avonmouth, so far so good. Will continue, my comments . still have a problem of getting my posting to go anywhere, it leaves the machine never to be seen again. here we go.3 Posted on 27/04/2016 at 15:18:02

Hi George I am sorry I can't place you. I was one of a few Aberdeen engineers with S.S.& A. !967-1970. Was the 3rd Eng. on the Afric Alex McIntosh by any chance? Nice to read your memories of those days and look forward to your next post. Bill Morrison.Posted on 27/04/2016 at 20:51:00

TO BILL MORRISON. Thanking you for your posting .I cannot remember their. names . I had two 3rd engineers on the AFRIC during my stay.both from ABERDEEN. a lot of SSA ENGINEERS were ABERDONIANS I recall a Charlie SUMMERS another from Cove Bay both of ABERDEEN and ANDY MITCHELL from Carnoustie all 3rd engineers Glad you like reading the posts .I was on the AFRIC from NOV 66 till FEB 68. I am 75 and have amazed myself writing the Posts. I recall all the ships, many of the engineeris from 1962 . 1970 and all the big breakdowns. Ask me what I did last . week and I would be hard pushed to tell you Thanks again George Mitchell George Mitchell Posted on 27/04/2016 at 23:12:20

TO BILL MORRISON. Thanking you for your posting .I cannot remember their. names . I had two 3rd engineers on the AFRIC during my stay.both from ABERDEEN. a lot of SSA ENGINEERS were ABERDONIANS I recall a Charlie SUMMERS another from Cove Bay both of ABERDEEN and ANDY MITCHELL from Carnoustie all 3rd engineers Glad you like reading the posts .I was on the AFRIC from NOV 66 till FEB 68. I am 75 and have amazed myself writing the Posts. I recall all the ships, many of the engineeris from 1962 . 1970 and all the big breakdowns. Ask me what I did last . week and I would be hard pushed to tell you Thanks again George Mitchell George Mitchell Posted on 27/04/2016 at 23:12:28

TO BILL MORRISON. Thanking you for your posting .I cannot remember their. names . I had two 3rd engineers on the AFRIC during my stay.both from ABERDEEN. a lot of SSA ENGINEERS were ABERDONIANS I recall a Charlie SUMMERS another from Cove Bay both of ABERDEEN and ANDY MITCHELL from Carnoustie all 3rd engineers Glad you like reading the posts .I was on the AFRIC from NOV 66 till FEB 68. I am 75 and have amazed myself writing the Posts. I recall all the ships, many of the engineeris from 1962 . 1970 and all the big breakdowns. Ask me what I did last . week and I would be hard pushed to tell you Thanks again George Mitchell George Mitchell Posted on 27/04/2016 at 23:12:32

really enjoy reading all the stories on here. my dad george mitchell has hundreds of stories to tell. a great way to remember the past. xxPosted on 01/05/2016 at 14:27:18

once again my comment did no]t go anywhere.try again I made a mistake on my previous comment. I said earlier in the year. when I should have said IN earlier years the AFRIC had two collisions. Dec 1963 and was three months in the shipyard. however back to my first voyage as 2nd.eng Got out of Avonmouth OK. Went to full away. first thing change from diesel, to heavy oil. Change from aux boiler to exhaust gas boiler Found we could not get enough steam pressure.. checked out the system. half the coils were shut off. I opened them one at a time to find out the coils had holes in them. oh well use what we have,.go back on aux if required, shut of what we did not really. need and things improved. We did not have the luxury of the fridge engineers to work on the generator engines as AFRIC was dry cargo only. So arranged for 3rd eng 1st and 2nd elect plus greaser cleaner to work on the engines. got the Port Fwd engine first as it was nearest the main engine control station. after that went to Port Aft engine. That gave us two good engines. released the elects to do their own work. we would help them if required. Next thing was the engine would go over 90 rpm. had a look at previous log books and that's what they got previous homeward voyage. should be doing 105 rpm. Checked the exhaust readings. three units was lower than the other six. this is when my name changed from sec. to Dr George. I went along the camshaft listening with my doctors stethoscope.Three fuel pump cam rollers were noisier than the others. the same three with the lower exhaust temps. We only had one spare so it was decided to continue as we were. ADVISED the powers that be we required four cam rollers for new Zealand. Eventually with all generator engines reconditioned everthing new just about. we started on the pumps etc. ALL the spares required had been ordered by the previous 2nd. were received in Avonmouth. I will stop here and post.see what happens. told it might be timing out George Mitchell Posted on 01/05/2016 at 17:34:17

continued. omission from previous comment should say will NOT go over 90 rpm Had more time to study the engine room , found a blanked off steam valve marked ; fuel valve tracer. had a look at main engine fuel valves. there were no steam tracers on them. Remembering I saw a pile of copper piping in the steering gear. I went and had another look. I took the storekeeper down and we sorted out the pipework' Checking the various shapes they were the same as the fuel valve pipes we fitted on one set to no 1 cyl. got the pipes back to the engine room and the watchstanders could fit some through the night.if time allowed.. I talked to the third and fourth engs who had been there the previous trip if they had seen steam pipes on the fuel valves, not since ive been here they both replied. I told the chief engineer what I was doing. try it and see was the usual answer to my queries. it took a couple of days in between other work. The day of reconing arrived' Turned on the steam and all was tight. lagged the pipes with asbestos rope we had in the store .put the steam on and waited to see what happened. The magic result was the RPM went from 90 to 101. this increase in rpm gave us higher exhaust temperatures which it turn gave higher exhausts which gave us more steam, win win all round. we could afford to put more steam on the tanks to raise the fuel temps. Generators are running good with no fumes, the boiler doing what it should, the main engine running nearly at speed we concentrated cleaning the place up. all the lighting had been cleaned. could see where you were going. Trojan work done by our elects their names were IST ELECT MIKE POND AND 2ND ELECT JOHN DUCK. commonly known as the duck pond dept. If engineers require help it was given and vice versa with elects. The trip went smoothly till we arrived in WELLINGTON. The boiler coils were removed ashore, welded and tested then replaced, three cam roller assemblies were replaced It was noted there was about quarter of an inch wear on . each of the rollers. we now had two spare. regards GeorgeMitchell Posted on 01/05/2016 at 19:20:54

hi this is my third attempt. each time it comes up site expired and ive typed it in again. We diid the NZ coastal. This is when I found out why the injector steam tracing had been removed. I believe that when manouvering the engine on diesel oil. and the steam tracing not shut off then the diesel oil could overheat and gas up the fuel pumps. I had signs made up. and attached to the valves in question Diesel oil valve. Check steam to injectors is shut off before opening this valve. Heavy oil valve Check steam is on after changing from diesel to heavy oil The steam is required for the heavy oil, so removing the system was over the top Educate the users was the way to go In the various ports while discharging and all the equip was running as it should, I give the engineers and elects who had a busy outward voyage I did job and finish. the pubs used to close at six pm. so I let the lads off. maybe arrange a party. I had got engaged to a girl I had met during my time at college doing my 2nd engs certs so party going was a no no. although I did go and say hello ,cheerio sort of thing.. we left NZ.for AUSSIE. No problems. Engine run at 106 RPM Must go before the system times outsteven Posted on 02/05/2016 at 20:42:55

I notice I have put steven in the wrong place I am now convinced the site is timing out. I have two solutions for this, 1. start typing using two fingers instead of one. but I don't think that would work..as I cant think fast enough. or make shorter posts. I will choose the 2nd. We arrived in Port Pirie, loaded lead in the lower holds, went somewhere and topped up with wool. Most of the load was lead. there was no problem between Aussie and the Mediterranean. After leaving SUEZ the weather got progressively worse.I have read various posts one from a steward and one from a junior engineer called JOHN CARSON from INVERNESS. POST 07/01/14 I remember him being extremely ill with the seasickness. but I can tell him now he was not alone. Before joining S.S.& A I served on trawlers up in ICELANTIC water in winter But i never experienced rolling so fast. All the lead was on the bottom You were being thrown about. We had to rig ropes to hold on to stop getting thrown into the engine, A Big problem was happening . I noticed our spare liner was starting to lean over the engine. I told the Chief engineer who informed the captain what was happening. he turned the ship to reduce rolling. we also got help from the deck crew. We got two big G clamps fixed them to the vertical strengheners each side of the liner. attached a 5 ton chain block to one side and the chain hook on the other. putting some wooden blocks under the chain to protect the liner, pulled the liner into the bulkhead, that seemed to work fine, the storm was now abating after three days. evertbody is knackered . a two ton liner falling on top of the engine wasnt to be contemplated We passed Gibraltar OK. a bit rough in the Bay of Biscay Then on to LONDON. Well that's my first trip as 2nd eng, at 25 years old. I was chuffed with myself. I did another two trips to NZ and one coastal to Europe Hamburg etc. only two people left the engine room while I was there, the chief engineer and the third. I was being transferred to the maiden voyage for SS&A on the AKOROA George Mitchell The stone weight I put on in the Suevic is long gone Posted on 02/05/2016 at 23:11:25

When I transferred from the Afric to the AKAROA. I was not told I would be one of many 2nd engineers. It turned out I was 2nd eng in charge of the 4 to 8 watch. the same job as I was doing when I was 4th eng on the ALARIC. I joined the Akaroa in Victoria dock in LONDON. Found my cabin, ( the smallest of any ship I had been on ) The engine room was full of Silley Weir workers making modifications,A lot of new equip was being fitted. to cater for the longer voyages to N.Z and AUSSIE. I was astounded to find out we were sailing at 8pm that evening..The passengers duly arrived and off we went. complete with about thirty workmen. they were mainly employed fitting new watermakers. Down the river and on to the English channel.at slow speed. We stopped somewhere and the workmen all got off.by boat. Only one remained. He was to commission the water makers Hope they work first time I thought to myself. The storage tanks only held about two or three.days supply. We continued down the channel The watermakers were up and running. I got a short lesson on how to start it up..which was a relief. We stopped somewhere else to let this guy off. The sewage tanks were full so it was allowed to overflow The main engines were B and W opposed piston two stroke which I knew inside out. The generators and the rest of the equipment was all familiar as well. The only thing I hadn't seen before was the stabllisers and the watermakers. This was the maiden voyage for SS& A.. Everybody was new. George Mitchell Posted on 03/05/2016 at 14:33:11

The culture shock came early in the trip. First was the cabin. so small once you were in, there was no room for anybody else. no portlight either.Felt closed in all the time. In all the other ships the off coming watch would get showered and cleaned up, then meet in someones cabin for a couple of beers. Same for the dayworkers ie elects, fridge engineers etc would meet in a cabin at night for a beer. everybody took a turn.We were all pals and knew each other. On this ship there was the.. engineers lounge which overlooked the passenger swimming pool. to go in there you had to be in uniform. ie normal uniform in cold climates and whites in the tropics, in the evening black trousers cumberbund, white shirt, epilettes and bow tie. the alternative was the crew bar down in the Burma road. you seldom met anybody. They spent most of their time in the crew bar or sleeping. I was quite lucky., non of the engineers on my watch were drinkers. Same at meal times in the officers dining room. full dress including bow tie etc, on the (normal ships) you wore your uniform at mealtimes only. but didn't need bow ties and cumberbund. Decided this was not my style of life so I put in for a transfer. Unusual for me I cannot remember where this ship went. I know it was NZ. and AUSTRALIA. cannot remember being in any of these ports. I have photographs of my two watchkeepers and myself with a girl. in Tahiti and again in Barbados. I remember that very well because it was an enjoyable time. Who is the girl. She was a childrens nurse on board in the crèche. My two watchjkeepers and myself always sat at the same table. at mealtimes.One day this girl came over and asked if she could sit with us. Which she did for the rest of the trip. She turned out to be a laugh a minute. I don't know how this occurred but we were allowed ashore if you were of watch. Some how she always managed to come as well. We was not allowed on the tour buses so we took taxis everywhere.. was not expensive if you told the taxis you were crew members.For most of this trip my mind has always been a blank. We all said our goodbys. MAY 68 till SEPT 68. I Went on leave coming back to join the IONIC AS 2ND ENGINEER This turned out to be the Jewel in the crown of my Shaw Savill Career All the best. George Mitchell The ship run the whole voyage out and back with no major breakdowns. so the usual teamwork was never tested. it was not till I found this website that I read a post from JOHN CARSON who was junior engineer with me on the AFRIC when I was 2nd eng. for nearly a year. He had also been transferred same time as me. He was on the 12 to 4 watch and I was on the 4 to 8. and I never met him once in 3 months. I didn't know he was there. on the other hand I never seen the chief engineer either. on this one it was the crew bar on the Burma road as it was called. Posted on 03/05/2016 at 18:15:06

I made a mistake in my last post. I said I left the Akaroa to join the IONIC. that was not correct. I went relieving till end of October 68 Then went on leave to get married in ABERDEEN. The girl I met while doing my 2nds in 1966 We got married Nov.16.1968 several engineers and their wives came. and received telegrams from shipmates. I had a lot of leave due, so I did not go back till Feb 1st 1969 when I joined the IONIC in LONDON. I have seen many comments on this site asking about CLIVE DOWNES, but none of them refered him as captain of the IONIC. I did five voyages to NZ and Australia. on this ship. Never had nothing but planned maintenance apart from holes in the Exhaust gas boiler. That was not classed as a breakdown Just shut the coil off. I instigaded my own method for maintenance of the main engine units. and rather than overhaul on running hours. I would do a scavenge port inspection Sometimes this would show broken rings or cylinder lub oil ports blocked IF we did not find any broken rings then I would take the next units by hours. Never had an engine failure or scavenge fire. I remember CLIVE had his wife with him. Margeret I think her name was.. She gave me a telling of one day.She said I smelt of alcohol first thing in the morning. I totally agreed with her. I had a small whisky and lime every morning at sea after my 4 to 8 watch.in the morning.. Then I reminded her that what was morning for her was bed time for me.. no offence taken .had a laugh about it. If I was to drink that now I think the taste would be revolting. Whisky and lime, yuk We arrived back in London 20th April 69 I went on leave returning to the IONIC Glasgow.20th May 69. George Mitchell . Posted on 03/05/2016 at 21:42:02

During my leave I phoned up FRED SIBLEY and asked if I could take my wife with me on the next IONIC voyage. He phoned me back next day saying approval had been given. Could I do him a favour. He would like me to join the IONIC in GLASGOW for the coastal down to LIVERPOOL I said that would be no problem. I would only be losing a week. When I joined the ship I thought of what CLIVES wife would have said, the whole ship smelt of whisky. We had a hold full of the stuff. I made arrangements for my wife to travel. She was only 22 and had never been more than 30 miles out of the city. and had never been on a train. My father took her to the station seen her on to the Glasgow train. My cousin who lived in Glasgow met her. changed stations. Made sure she got on the LONDON train. She knew to get off at Preston and what time the train should arrive there. The train was on time. I met her. then we got the train to LIVERPOOL. She joined 4 days before we left. I took her ashore in the evenings ( It was June the light nights) to see the sights. She had never been to any other city except her own. The Chief Engineers wife and the 2nd mates wife also joined. I never knew about this, good company for each other the three of them had to sign articles. and be paid one shilling a month for them to be legally part of the crew. I kept my wife busy with paper work through the day until we sailed, that day came and of we went. First stop Las PALMAS for fuel bunkers. George MitchellPosted on 04/05/2016 at 15:23:26

Completing bunkering we left for Fremantle On the way I celebrated my 27th birthday.Had a gathering in the officers lounge .for just an hour Everybody off watch came Nobody had any musical instruments but we had a gramophone and a pile of modern records 1966 style. When crossing the equator PAT my wife was peeling an orange. When throwing the peel over the side lost her engagement ring. It had slipped off her finger. I will buy you another one in Melbourne I said. A statement I was never allowed to forget. We arrived in Fremantle. Full RPM all the way. We were only there for a couple of days The engineers did a scavenge inspection. All the piston rings were where they should be, routine maint, job and finish, Same with the engine room crew, The chief steward got the agent to order a taxi for the girls to go on a sightseeing trip. There was nothing much in Fremantle itself. The taxi driver ( a woman ) Took them to see the wild Kangaroos running about, then to a shopping arcade.to get the things girls need. I paid for the taxi. not the ship. I went for a walk into town in the evening with Pat Ended up in a big ice cream parlour,yum yum. We then departed for ADELAIDE then MELBOURNE , The 2ND mates wife and mine became very good friends They were both in their early twenties The Chief engineers wife was in her forties and had done many trips with her husband,,She never went ashore and I often thought she resented the young ones being there.. They would go by themselves in the various ports. George Mitchell Posted on 04/05/2016 at 17:51:42

I previously asked CLIVE the captain if my wife could stay ashore in Melbourne with friends who had emigrated there a few years back, he said he would enquire when we got there. don't know who he talked to. but permission was granted. She had to be back on the ship before sailing to Sydney I was reminded about the Engagement ring. Next day was a Saturday so I took her up to MELBOURNE We were berthed in Port Melbourne a few miles away.Finally got a ring that she wanted. Phoned her friends who came and collected her.The whole family turned up to see the big ship.so I showed then all round the engine room. Amazing was the general comments. On. the ship the engineers rerung four units,two on each main engine. also dropped two bottom ends for LLOYDS inspection.we were there for about 10 days. Plenty time Most of the lads went up to a hotel bar. I cannot remember its name but there was a huge painting of a naked lady behind the bar. Im told it was a famous landmark in Melbourne,A week later Pat arrived back on the ship Everything was ready to go. had engine trials, Inspected the bearings that had been worked on, all ok. sailed for SYDNEY two days later. George Mitchell Posted on 04/05/2016 at 21:48:24

We arrived in SYDNEY on glorious day ,the sun was shining the air was hot, a perfect day which was normal The three wives were on the boatdeck looking at the sights' Plenty to see. The OPERA house which had not been fully completed was reflecting the sun like the sails of the hundreds of yachts and ferry boats transvering to and fro. PATS description. I was on duty in the engine room. We were lucky as our berth was first under the bridge next to circular quay. Just a short way from the city centre. Where the two girls went every day. Costing a fortune I looked upon it as a lifetime holiday for PAT. never to happen again. and life proved that . We were fortunate the ship would have two weekends in port.. We took full advantage, went to Taronga park zoo. Bondi beach.Up on top uf the Sydney harbour bridge and many other places Took a bus tour round the suburbs of Sydney and places of interest ,Pat never stopped talking to people on the bus .Nearly knew them all by name by the time we got off. the bus. Stopped at a lot of places during the tours. Back on the ship my program was to change another two units and one engine set of fuel valves, then recon them for use on the other engine on the return journey, Engine trials came. all was well. Always give the engineers the rest of the day off. We left for our next port Brisbane then Townsville; Discharge completed Will tell you about the strangest thing ever to happen in SYDNEY George Mitchell Posted on 05/05/2016 at 01:09:47

When in Sydney one morning there was a knock on my office door. It was my cabin steward. He asked if he could talk to me. I said that would be OK. he asked if I would accept two complimentary tickets for a drag show in a well known tourist attraction in KINGS CROSS. I had seen the place before but was never in it.. I could sence he wanted me to have them. They were dated for that night. I asked why he wanted me to have them, said he would tell me at a later date.. I pondered over it. the tickets Looked genuine. Decided he was not in my dept. so I could not be accused of favoriism. I decided to go and have a look. I had never seen a drag show,and my wife wouldn't know what that was anyway Not much of that in Aberdeen. In fact very few bars allowed females in.. All men only.in 1960s only thing he said was dont tell anybody on the ship. That made it more mystifying, I did not tell PATwhere we were going. dress casual like a tourist..I showed the doorman the tickets, he tipped his hat and in we went, We were shown to a ringside table near the stage, the show started. We were offered drinks. Included in the ticket and a menu. the prices were reasonable for a night club. About half through the show a surprise act was introduced. She looked gorgeous, dressed in a fish tail Shirley bassey dress , She sang a Shirley bassey song, On the 2nd half she came on again and sang another song, Pat still had not twigged they were all men. she thought they were all lovely dressed girls. Towards the end of the show they started serving the meals a man appeared at our table. PAT recognised him as being our steward on the ship. He asked if we enjoyed Shirley bassey. he said when he was in Sydney he did a show here. never got paid for it, just two tickets, which he had no use for, PAT always kept our accom.spotless the steward had nothing to do, She was a chatter box, and spoke to everybody.he said she spoke to him and treated him like a human being. this was his way of repayment Pat started looking at the girls said you could see the manly features if you look hard enough.. the singing of Shirley was actually mimed.and you wouldnt know.. He then left. we stayed the remainder of the show then back to the ship; we both thought it was a marvellous show, not that we had seen anything like it before, His departing words were he trusted us not to tell anybody on the ship.We never did and he never mentioned,it either When I seen him on the ship I often wondered why he was doing what he did and not on a stage somewhere. Looking back I often think this was a strange happening. GEORGE MITCHELL3 Posted on 05/05/2016 at 15:07:18

In BRISBANE format was the same, the girls went round the shops etc, In the engine room routine work, concentrating on recon 16 main engine fuel valves. Only there a couple of days then on to Townsville We arrived Friday morning. No major work was planned for here, I declared a free weekend , any non watchkeeping eng, who wanted to work could; night on board engineer would cover the days as well. PAT and I plus a few engineers took the ferry boat to MAGNETIC ISLAND .About 5 miles out. Upon arrival four buses met the ferry, Flirty Flo, Nippy Nell. was two of the bus names. I call them buses but they were really old trucks with benches on the back. open sides and a cover over the top. These busses circulated the island all day. Once you paid for your ticket you could jump on or off any bus you like and go anywhere you like Make sure your back in time for the last ferry.if you didn't your there for the night.We made sure we were back for tne 2ndl last ferry. the island was covered with small café bars where you could sit out in the Glorious sunshine.PATand I went on a glass bottomed boat and went to see the Great barrier reef.It was amazing. millions of highly coloured fish and the beautiful coral. There were spotlights under the boat that lit it all up.These were things we had never seen before,TV was in its infancy in the 1960s and was in black and white, only. Nqw 2016 anybody can see anything in full colour.any time you like. We spent such a good time we went back there the next day complete with swimming trunks and bikini. We took the bus that went to the swimming areas, protected by the shark guards, there were more people and things to see. outside one café there was a tree, the trunk was the same shape as the female body. somebody has painted on a yellow polka dot bikini a hit record in the sixtys. We took a lot of pictures which I still have today. Well it was back to the ship. We went and had a look round the town in the evenings Cargo discharged it was time for the return trip. Start loading.for U.K. George Mitchel16l Posted on 05/05/2016 at 22:08:31

Our first loading port was BOWEN, about 30 miles south of Townsville. Refridge engineers cooling down the holds . I had never been there before, First thing was we were not allowed to disable the main engines If the weather turned bad we had to get away from the rickety wooden pier. You could practically see the whole town from the boatdeck. looked like there was only one street in the place We were loading frozen lamb from the freezer factory some distance, away. the dockers appeared every day from somewhere. some in beat up utility trucks. some on horse back, they tied up their horses at the end of the pier, The cargo came down by train. I had a visit from somebody who said he was a fire chief. he wanted to see the engine room and check our fire fighting equip.. PAT was tickled.pink. this guy looked like a cowboy. arrived on a horse and spoke with a strong Glasgow accent, as usual Pat was in there yap yap. seemingly they only got one or two ships a year and the loaders all had other jobs, We had a walk up the street We went into the hardware store, Everybody knew we were off the ship Looked like something out of the Waltons. Then when we finally got out of there we walked along the boardwalk .there was a pub. a horse hitching rail was outside but no horses Even had swing doors. Every thing like a cowboy movie..I had a look inside, I asked the barman if PATwas allowed in. There was only three or four guys at the bar, she wanted to say she had been in a cowboy bar. Bring the Sheila in he said in his best Australian accent. He said the place would be packed out when the loaders finished at 4 oclock. I had a pony as it was called and Pat had cold lemonade.Sat at the bar, waiting for John Wayne to come in.More yap yap. She was chuffed to bits. I saw this kind of place in PORT PIRIE, where the main line steam passenger train stopped in the main street. a station but no platforms. Just like you see in the cowboy movies Climb off the carriage onto the dirt road. We were there 3 or 4 days Then on to Sydney George Mitchell. .Posted on 06/05/2016 at 23:43:44

Hi George, I sailed with you on the Ionic as 1st Leckie, I am Living in Sydney ( since 1984 ). Every night on my way home from work, my train stops at Circular Quay and I look out of the window and remember all the times I have pulled in there. You would not know the place now. #1& 2 Dalgetty Wharf is no longer there, it is now a marina with cafes and shops. Pyrmont has a new overpass bridge ( old one still used now and then ) Pyrmont is now part of Darling Harbor. Was the steward that done the drag act called Kim,she used to dance at the Les Girls in Sydney. Les Girls is no longer there along with the Motor Club where you used to get in free if you showed your seamans card. Stewart RandellPosted on 08/05/2016 at 02:05:18

This is a test. The last three comments I sent have not appeard anywhere. G, M25Posted on 08/05/2016 at 12:56:32

Well that worked ok. try again. HI STEWART, When I saw your name I recognised it from the IONIC That's a long time ago. nearly 50 years, The name of the night club was Les Girls in Kings Cross and the name KIM rings a bell. I never heard him being called that on the ship. I have looked at the various Ports we used to run to such as Bowen Port Piriie and Fremantle on,Google. They were all one street towns then. Looking at Sydney on google, When we first went there ,No high rise builings were there.Now its all high rise, the view of circular quay is totally changed you can see what used to be loading docks are now marinas and cafes.Liverpool and London docks are now airports and luxury flats, All caused by the container ships, that now have terminals miles from anywhere. Looking at Magnetic island What was a very small ferry, four trucks, or busses as the called them and some beach cafes are now replaced with luxury hotels When I first started writing these memories I never expected any comments; back. I am now seventy five. I am told Tommy Hoy is still with us. He was the first second engineer I sailed with. He must be in his eighties and I think you must be nearing seventy. All the best for now and thanks for the blog. I think that's what us surfies call it. Gives you a boost. George Mitchell.Posted on 08/05/2016 at 13:46:40

Our loading ports homeward were the same as the outward voyage. In Sydney we completed all the engine maintenance for the voyage. only routine maintenance homeward. hopefully. In Melbourne I was watching the dockers working in one of the holds when I recognised three of them. I had not seen them for about 10 years. We had been in the same class in school in ABERDEEN. They seen me, I told them to come uo to my cabin at the end of shift. PATand I had a couple of cold beers with them, they had been in Melbourne for about four years . They were thinking of moving to Sydney but their girl friends said no. we also had friends from home that were living in Moonie Pond area of Melbourne. we went and seen them and they came down to the ship a couple of times The engineers on the ship were having a night out in the hotel with the Large painting of the naked lady behind the bar It was a musical night. remember PATwas up leading a CONGA dance around the dance floor along with the engineers and some girls they had found, I would say the line was about thirty people. Later on the were all up again doing Zorbas dance, one of the best social nights of the voyage. Next port was ADELAIDE then Fremantle. Pat asked to see a doctor. the agents arranged this. upon entering the doctor room she heard a voice saying ( come in my quine, hoos athin daein in Aberdein.) he gave her a good bill of health. only thing he could see was that she was. pregnant A shock to both of us.. Fearing she might have to leave the ship and fly home I told CLIVE DOWNES the captain who said if the doctors given a clean bill of health. there was no reason why she could not stay on board. PHEW,He told the chief steward to find out what pregnant woman eat and have it on board for the voyage home. Don't know where he got it from but he got a list from somewhere, We left Fremantle None stop full RPM to SUEZ.. George MitchePosted on 08/05/2016 at 16:13:14

WE arrived in Suez Full ahead all the all the way, Once clearing the canal next stop was Malta, Spent two days and one night there, The girls were advised not to go ashore by themselves as there was an American aircraft carrier in port. thousand sailors running loose. As the ship was running well I declared job and finish. I took PAT up into Valetta. The place was mobed with sailors. I let her see the GUT a notorious place at the best of times, She was amazed at the number of girls in the street looking for pickups. we went further up into town, different place altogether. We went round a beautiful church.hired a horse and cart taxi for the local sight seeing trip. only half an hour. we then went to a coffee bar, had a snack. The waiters were very attentive, im told its because pat had long blonde hair. The café got us a taxi to get back to the ship as we had to pass the gut . There were more sailors than ever. and all the bars were packed out. Plenty of American shore patrol were visible complete with lockup van. We then sailed for BARCELONA in SPAIN George Mitchell Posted on 08/05/2016 at 18:30:42

In BARCELONA we did a scavenge inspection to check the condition of the piston rings on the main engine, all appeared well. We were in there for two days and one night. Job and finish was the call. I took PAT up town, Had a look at the city centre some shops and the fine buildings I could see Pat was AMAZED. The ships agents had left some nightclub tickets on the ship for anybody that wanted them, I took two for PAT and myself. we had a small snack in one of the cafes in the centre The show started at 8pm Found out where the place was not far from where we were standing, Show starts at 8pm It was very similar to the drag show, except it was real girts. Free admission plus a drink. meals optional. the prices were OK. After the show we got the night club to get us a taxi back to the ship We sailed next day for LIVERPOOL. The girls signed off. got there 5 shillings for the five month trip..PAT Kept that five shillings for years, it disappeared when we moved house along with other sentimental items We hired a car from AVIS as we had a lot of luggage with the stuff Pat had bought, fragile things from MAGNETIC ISLAND. IE LARGE CONCH SHELLS and coral. It was legal to buy then but not now, Off we set for ABERDEEN George MitchellPosted on 08/05/2016 at 20:37:03

Left the ship over handover about 4 pm. Stopped for a meal on the way. We were dropping off one of the engineers at Glasgow. His mother insisted we came in for a cuppie of tea and she would make a sandwich, Then the yap yap started with you know who. the lads mother was just as bad.. We left about 10.pm they wanted us to stay but the car had to be returned before 9 am next day We got home about 4am. unloaded the car. the house was fine and cosy, my dad who was looking after it had put the heating on left milk and tea etc I returned the car before 9am receive back my deposit etc, The IONIC VOYAGE WAS OVER. It was a thing she never forgot till her dying day; How she had never been more than a few miles out of the city she was born in. to travel to the other side of the world and see what she seen at 23 years old , Remember there were very few TV sets None in colour All you seen was the old movies and what you seen in books if you could afford to buy them. George Mitchell Posted on 08/05/2016 at 21:11:59

I forgot to mention on the way home PAT had her 23rd birthday party; I don't know how any anybody knew unless the chief steward seen in his paperwork, After my watch WE got called up to the captains cabin . I thought it was about the pregnancy. When we got there the chief eng and his wife, the ist mate and the 2nd mates wife were there . Wondering what was happenjng the steward brought in a birthday cake .Pat and I was over the moon. I t went on for a while when pat went down to the cabin for my party hat It belonged to my dad then he give it to me when I joined the merchant. its a tartan, tammy with a tastle on the top. I always wore it at parties when I played my accordion I always wore it in Bluff when I went ashore, I also wore it on a night out in Barbados.when on the akaroa. By the end of the evening THE CAPTAIN was wearing it , I still have the tammy and photos of CLIVE DOWNS wearing it and laughing. Had a good evening. Stopped about midnight. I was on watch at 4am. I did two more voyages in the IONIC. the ship run perfect out and back.each time. The first voyage started 8PM on Christmas eve.A local London RADIO STATION was doing a live broadcast from the ship. describing us as weary souls making our way to the other side of the world on Christmas eve.. They got of in TILBURY. The other disappointing thing trip I missed the birth of my daughter by a fortnight. we were later than we should have been, because of industrial action in new Zealand, I joined the IONIC IST FEB 69 AND LEFT FEB 70 earlier I said I did 5 trips. it was four deep sea and one coastal At the end of my last voyage FRED SIBLEY wanted me to join the MEGANTIC as 2nd engineer He also said SHAW SAVILL was being destroyed by the container ship; a lot of ships were being scrapped or sold to GREECE. George Mitchell Posted on 08/05/2016 at 23:42:56

I joined the MEGANTIC JAN 71 AND LEFT DEC 71, Doing two voyages to New Zealand.The ship run like clockwork Just doing routine maintenance. main piston rings as per the hourly schedule and scavenge inspections. routine work and Lloyds inspections. at completion of the 2nd trip FRED SIBLEY came on board. I could tell by his voice he had a heavy heart. MY time in SHAW SAVILL was over after nine years. I was half expecting it. He said I could get a position as 2nd eng on a cairn line ship. Smaller ships. I had enough sea time to go for CHIEF engineer, CAIRN LINE ship were all conventional cargo carriers I did not want to go on the container ships as I thought that was no life at all Just like being on a tanker. . I don't know what it is now but then it was two trips on and one trip off About thirty days out. maybe two ports in AUSSIE, SYDNEY or MELBOURNE and not get down the gangway as the are only in for a full load or discharge in 8 hours. THE1960s engineers in the Merchant Navy work hard and played hard , The ships on the coast were rated by the nurses homes as good party or bad party ship; In nearly all the ships it was always the engineers that organised the parties, it took approx. 40 days to turn a ship around on the coast,.giving junior engineer s load of time to look round the ports and meet people. I myself like going on bus tours, I got caught out one day, I took a mystery tour in Dunedin in N.Z. The bus did a tour round about then down to Port Chalmers to see the big ship. the best hotel pub for me was always the GREAT NORTHERN on one of the corners in QUEEN STREET, anyway I could write for hours about the nine years. I told FRED not tp worry about me, in 1970 there was a whole new industry starting in my home town of ABERDEEN OIL had been found in the North sea AND Aberdeen was to become the oil capital. iFirst worked on supply boats, then bigger supply boats then a diving support ship, To get more time at home I went on oil rigs, one week on then one week off. I stayed there for 33 years then retired early to be my wifes carer, for 14 years When I seen this website the title is SHAW SAVILL MEMORIES AND CULTURE, I expect my memories are similar to many of yourselves climbing the ranks,I did not expect to write as much, got carried away sometimes two people have answered with a comment, IF anybody wants to make any comment good or bad. I would like to hear from you all the best for now, My typing finger looks shorter than the rest George MitchellPosted on 09/05/2016 at 01:21:14

hi i have had two emails with photos of some of the crew from the iberic 1965 my email has now changed r.mackles@gmail.co. i am still wondering if anyone knows if david senglow is still alive we were just good friends in new plymouth and just had a good time cheers RaewynPosted on 13/05/2016 at 07:56:02

You should write a book George Mitchell I would be one of the first to buy it ! I was only with SHAW SAV, for a couple of years but instantly reconised the content in your yarns. I really enjoyed them George thanks ! Paul Holmes Hull.Posted on 20/05/2016 at 17:39:05

wow dad. you really should write a book. i have learned more about your voyages with reading your blogs than i learned my whole life. its a pity you cant show all the photos on this site. you have many crackers xx keepthe stories coming dadxxPosted on 21/05/2016 at 18:04:02

To Paul Holmes. Thank you for your posting .Before I bought this laptop, I struggled to write letters etc.When I started writing my memories, Never thought it would turn out as it did.I never had to think about anything except the dates. all the ships names,crew members and places visited just flowed out..When my time was over in SHAW SAVILL I decided to start again in the oil industry. I went down to YARMOUTH to see what there was in the way of jobs as that was the hub at that time. By pure chance I went into a dockside pub for a pie and pint. when I started talking to a guy standing next to me. He said listening to your accent your not from around here. I said no. I'm from ABERDEEN in Scotland and I'm down here looking for a job, he asked me what I did. telling him I served an apprenticeship in marine engineering in a shipyard then being in the merchant navy for nine years.he introduced himselt as Alf Jessison. a Norwegian,He was operations manager for a company called ZAPATA. an American supply boat company. He said Zapata were building four anchor handling tugs. all 8000 hp and were being British registered so the crews needed British certification He asked if I was qualified for that.telling him l could sail on any british ship anywhere in the world as 2nd engineer and get a dispensation as Chief engineer for home trade waters He asked me where I was staying, I told him I don't know I only came off the train an hour before I met him. he said he would book me in. to a hotel. come back in the morning after he had talked to America.went back to see him. he asked some question, looked at the paperwork I had. etc he told me the conditions etc,month on ,month off. the four ships would be based in Aberdeen In the meantime could I go to HULL and standby the ships being built. They were called IMPERIAL SERVICE AND MONARCH SERVICE at DRYPOOL SHIPYARD, That was me started in the oil industry Another connection for me in HULL was two of my uncles emigrated from ABERDEEN to HULL to go trawling.Both married girls from HULL, raised their own families for the rest of their lives. They both worked for LORD line the last time I was there was on the WAIWERA They both had houses on ANLABY ROAD or a name something like that. Once again thankyou for your posting.it was a great surprise best regards George MitchellPosted on 24/05/2016 at 14:27:50

I was born and bred a couple of hundred yards from the ship yards you mentioned George. I wanted to go fishing when I left school in 1968 but my old man would'nt let me go he had to sign some papers to allow me to go but refused. a few weeks later we had the triple sinkings of the kingston peridot, the ross cleveland and the st romanus boy was I glad of my dads decision, he eventually signed the papers to allow me to go to gravesend ! A few months later I was signing on my first ship the MV Sangro one of Wilson Lines on the scandinavian run. George its probably a silly question but have you been on the Shipsnostalgia web site there is a lot of chat and there are ex seaman that would love to hear your yarns! Are you a member of the SS&A society they have quite a few members? Cheers George. Paul Holmes Hull..Posted on 25/05/2016 at 13:32:49

hi Paul Holmes once again from George Mitchell in your first posting you said you recognised the story early on. Well that happened to me when I read your 2nd posting. like you I also lived 300 yard from the shipyard gates, John Lewis and Sons in Aberdeen.My bedroom window was on the 3rd floor, at the top of the hill facing the slipways. I had a clear view of the ships being built and launched. At that time all ships were riveted together. As a young child I don't think it bothered me. We had a trawler dock about 600 yards to the side of the house,where about 40 trawlers would berth between trips. there were over 300 trawlers in ABERDEEN at that time. It was said there was one trawler for every day of the year In the mornings you would hear the noise of the ships steam whistles and raising steam.They were all coal burners and if the wind was blowing the wrong way you would choke with the smoke. Looking back the noise of the rivet guns, ships whistles and the smoke was just a way of life, My grandfather was a line fisherman on the sailing smacks, he changed to a steam trawler and lost his leg in a steam winch at the end of his first trip He was 26 at the time .My father was a trawlerman as well. he originally came from Grimsby. He then went on the drifters for the herring, He met my mother who was one of the herring quines that followed the herring from stornaway to Lowstoft.I will stop here as I believe I get timed out sometimes George . Posted on 26/05/2016 at 21:40:54

we left that house when I was 12 years old. moving to a more modern house half a mile away from the shipyard saying more modern it still did not have an internal toilet or a kitchen. I was able to get a job in a butchers shop. Message delivery boy. clean the floor, put down new sawdust. then progressed to making sausages and white puddings. the first time I linked the sausages I pleated them like a girls hair. no matter how I tried I couldn't do it again. There were two schools in Torry The little school where you went till you were twelve . then the big school till you were fifteen.i cannot remember sitting any exams except for the 11 plus. that was to determine if you were good enough to go to the grammer school in the west end of ABERDEEN. I never knew anybody from our district that ever went there.Any way I went to the big school. about six months before leaving at 15 we were all told to go to the assembly hall. The head master was on the podium.He told the pupils that there had been a disaster in HULL. two trawlers had sunk through the night losing all hands,they were the LORETTA and the R0DERIGO They both capsized due to ice buildup..I dont know even to this day why the names of these ships have never left me He talked about the perils of the sea. there was a service conducted.Aberdeen like Hull and Grimsby were all fishing towns and what happened in one effected the other. I remember mum and dads emotions when I got home..They had already heard. I duly left school on my 15th birthday 1955. Nobody ever gave advice of what kind of job was available. You got what was called a leaving certificate. that just stated you had been at school and you had behaved yourself. no grades or anything like the have now. Only goodby and good luck. Life is what you want to make of it All my family .grandfather. 4 uncles and my dad were all fishermen,so I wanted to follow.them. I remember my dads comments at the time.( if that's all the sense you have then off you go.) He knew I would not get a berth on a trawler. I found out I had to be 18. .. George Mitchell Posted on 27/05/2016 at 22:52:25

hi PAUL. .As I was only 15 and not allowed to go to sea and I did not want to be making sausages for the rest of my life told my Dad, if I cant go to sea in ships, then maybe I could get a job building them. I wrote a letter in my best writing to the engineering manager at John Lewis and Sons.I I got the info from my uncles.They told me what to write. I was to ask for a marine engineering apprenticeship. A week later I received a letter from John Lewis and Sons. They gave me a time and date to come and get an interview with Mr Noble.Manager of the engine works at Albert Quay I duly attended. Why do you want to be a marine engineer he said. I told him I used to live next to the shipyard and I could watch the ships being built.and I had been surrounded by ships all of my life. also told him my grandfather had worked in the yard after losing his leg on a trawler.as a timekeeper. He had four sons all of whom had served an apprenticeship in this shipyard.At that time two of them were sailing out of Hull as Chief Engineers on Large trawlers. Two were Chief Engineers with B.P. tankers. but one had left to be Chief engineer in a cotton mill in INDIA, He was now Chief Engineer in a refinery in ADEN and I wanted to carry on the tradition. I also told him I had done a trip to the Faroe islands with my uncle during the summer holidays on an Aberdeen steam trawler. . that was legal with the permission of the skipper. He then asked me what else I had done. I said that when I was at school the teacher was asking pupils to tell what they had done during the holldays.I talked about my trawler trip. how the engines and boilers worked etc. unbe known to me I was allowed to talk for over 20 min.. Shortly after I was told I had to represent the school along with others to Clement Atlee getting the freedom of ABERDEEN.I also told him I still had my Saturday job as a butchers boy. he asked about the school I went to. I give him my leaving certificate, Which did not tell him anything. He then said I could start in the engineer store till I was 16. then if I proved myself I would start my apprenticeship. I would have to go to evening classes to get some certificates. I would compete my apprenticeship on my 21st birthday and would have to leave so someone else could get a chance. I agreed to all that. Talked about wages. seven shillings a week in the store then 10 shillings a week rising to 18 shilling a week at 20 years. five day week 07.30am till 5.30 pm . that's about 80 pence a week in todays money. My career in shipbuilding had begun. as I was leaving I said to him I was watching a popular film at that time called Floodtide. starring JIMMY LOGAN and GORDON JACKSON about JOHN BROWNS shipyard. Jimmy was a plater and Gordon was an engineer draughtsman. I remember saying someday I might be a draughtsman. All he said was ONE JOB AT A TIME. George Mitchell Posted on 28/05/2016 at 22:30:33

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Hi again George. After reading all your reminiscence I wonder if you might consider giving the Ships Nostalgia web site a look over. John Davies started this site from his memories of Shaw Savill and most of the postings are ex S,S.& A. Ships Nostalgia is universal and has a Shaw Savill page with many posts on it. Regards Bill Morrison ( a nither Torry Loon) Posted on 31/05/2016 at 20:31:44

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I have typed this post five times now to no avail. put through a test and its there in micro seconds. HI Paul Holmes and BILL MORRISON.You have both suggested I have a look at Nostalgia. When I first got this laptop I somehow got into the shaw Savill page.I read several comments and I recognised a story about the WAIWERA. .Some Lamb chops had gone missing from the galley and they were for the morning breakfast. The blame was put on the engineers. mainly because some bones had been found in the engineers accommodation. I also recognised the people who were writing the story.I typed in a reply but I have never been able to find the shaw savill page again. I will have another go and see where it gets me. George MitchellPosted on 31/05/2016 at 23:26:57

lost it againPosted on 01/06/2016 at 01:17:28

hi Bill MORRISON. another Torry loon. We nearly all went to sea at one time or another. I LIVED IN Crombie road till I was 12 ,down by the shipyard then we moved to Walker Road, up beside the prison.till I was 26. Then we moved to Covenanters drive in Kincorth. That's where I met my wife to be. We eventually got married and we bought a house in Cove Bay, till we moved to Forres in 1994 till now. in my youth I would live with my grandma during the school holidays.The kids happy hunting ground was The Gramps. We would all gather and off we go;The older ones looked after the younger ones sort off, First thing was to make a bow and arrow get a branch from a tree, every boy carried a length of twine with them, It was quite plentyfull as a lot of the fishermans wifes also made nets in the backyard for the trawlers or we had jam jars to catch tadpoles and newts. The other places was fishing off the skates nose. one of the piers in the harbour ; Or down on the breakwater beach The Torry Battery was also a good place, When I stayed with my mother in Walker Road it was down by the River Dee especially under the chain bridge, we had a rope swing that went our over he river. or down by OGILVIES boatyard.When I look at these places now I wonder how we all survived, it all blocked off now. If you want to look at anything ive written about you can see most of it on UTUBE there about 20 good videos showing Torry from the 1900s till now. TORRY IN ABERDEEN..SHIPBUILDING IN ABERDEEN. AND TORRY THEN AND NOW.. there ARE MANY MORE BUT these will take you on to the site. well here goes see if it goes anywhere George MITCHELLPosted on 01/06/2016 at 14:35:24

HI Paul Holmes . I read in your posting that your first ship was the SANGRO. Back in the 60s there was two ships came to ABERDEEN. One on each alternate week. They used to carry esparto grass for the paper mills. The ships were painted Green with a white superstructure. The ships were named RIALTO and CONSWELLO both ending in O. I'm not sure of the spelling of the second one but that's how it was pronounced I am not sure if these ships were ellerman Wilson line or just the Wilson line In the 60s Aberdeen was losing everything. First the three large paper mills closed then the fishing fleet started disappearing, completely gone now. Then the large GRANITE quarries closed. followed by the three shipyards. Fortunately the saviour of ABERDEEN was the discovery of oil in the North Sea in1970. Unfortunately that seems to being going to the wall now. 70,000 jobs have gone in the last year or so.500 hundred from Shell in the last week..Aberdeen is starting to suffer. all the best George Mitchell Posted on 01/06/2016 at 16:23:45

Hi again George. There was a great web site called www.shawsavillships.co.uk now long gone. A lot of the postings were of people you knew of or had sailed with. The story of the Waiwera and the leg of lamb featured in one post as I recall. Your memories of Torry are similar to my own, I came to Torry in 1950 and lived in Glenbervie Road until 1970 when I married and bought one of the Glen Houses in Grampian Road. In 1977 we moved up the hill to Nigg where we still are looking down to a very changed Torry. I have a wee booklet called Auld Torry by another Torry Loon by the name of Donald Smith, who was a great model maker and still has a business at Kintore. This is a small extract. Old Torry has in common with almost every other locality it's own colloquialisms. Who for instance outside Torry knew where the following shops were to be found?...Ollies, Whyties, Babby Buchans or Brucies. Or yet again who but a Torry Loon knows the whereabouts of such haunts as,.... The Wellie, The Sannies, The Buddocker, Skates Nose, Bannana Pier, the Bar rock, the Coo's Hole the Bottleneck or the Bonnie Shores. I hope that brings back some memories George. Regards, Bill Morrison. Posted on 01/06/2016 at 21:07:21

Hi George, I have been in france for the last week watching my beloved rugby team, Hull Kingston Rovers, get beat by the Catalan Dragons, it cost a fortune but was well worth it apart from getting beat we had a fantastic time ! George the two ships you mentioned ( rialto and consuello ) were both Wilson line ships. George you must log on to Shipsnostalgia.com have a look at the site get yourself registered and I promise you that you'll spend hours on there. Shipspotting.com is another good site ! I go on the Shipsnostalgia site everyday, its like reading the daily news paper ! There is a very good book written by Richard P de Kerbrech, Shaw Savill & Albion (THE POST WAR-FORTUNES OF A SHIPPING EMPIRE) I believe he was an engineer who sailed with SSA, anyway look forward to the yarns, keep well regards Paul Holmes.Posted on 02/06/2016 at 10:38:42

George a little bit of irony has just popped up,regarding the story of the stolen lamb chops from the galley of the Waiwera. Well while getting the name of the SSA book I mentioned to you, I flicked though the book and as I opened it, the page was 104 on that page was a picture were the said crime took place a picture of the galley on the Waiwera ! there is a very good picture of the ship as well George. regards Paul Holmes.Posted on 02/06/2016 at 10:59:49

HI Paul. The lamb chop saga was only something I had heard about on the ship and had seen it written down somewhere, I did know some of the lads alledgedly involved. I don't think anything happened about it. But heres a story I don't think anybody would know about. , I was on port night watch a 14 hour shift. 6pm till 8am. the steward would leave normally three rashers of bacon and one egg in the fridge for the watch stander. If you did not put it in your cabin it would disappear I think this is why the Shaw Savill and Albion became slow starvation and agony. This particular night I left the engine room to cook my supper,advising the boilerman where I was,About 11pm the lads had arrived back from the dockside pub..as usual. they would be starving. I was cooking my own particular meal when Aussie arrived with a loaf of bread and a tray of eggs. it was obvious to evertbody he had nipped ashore and bought the stuff. he put about a dozen eggs into a large metal bowl normally used for salads.there was no milk in the fridge for the eggs, he was making scrambled eggs or something similar. Some bright spark said if you used rum it would give more flavour. A bottle with rum in it swiftly arrived from somewhere. the small kitchen was getting crowded so I took my supper next door to the duty mess room as I was leaving he was pouring a lot of rum into the bowl. before putting it to the small grill oven we had. about maybe 10 minutes I heard a dull thud.i went to investigate what it was, looking in the kitchen they were all standing there coverered in scrambled egg. What we think happened the fumes of the rum must have exploded or something. being a grill oven there was no catch on the oven door. the bowl and the eggs just flew out the oven door.Nobody else appears to have heard anything except the chief engineer, Whos cabin bedroom was directly above. he came to investigate, when he seen the mess he just said this place had better be spotless in the morning before the stewards arrive. Everybody tore in. When finished I said I would finish it off. the ceiling and floor. in those days all the toilets on board the ship were locked. you had to go to the toilets on the quayside in London.. they were very smelly places that's where the skips were also. I took all the rubbish from the cleanup down to the skips on the quay.i put it in the skip for the ship behind us Nobody mentioned it, and nobody reported any missing eggs. a ploy was never take the top tray of eggs if there were any missing. take the one under it. the cook wouldn't notice if the top one was he same. well we sailed fot BLUFF in NEW Zealand a couple of days later. George Mitchell 3Posted on 02/06/2016 at 17:30:17

hi BILL.once again I see you lived in .Glenbervie Road I knew that area very well at the time .My mum used to tell me I had my first accident there. I was only about five years old, when my three wheel bike took off down the hill and I could not stop it. I rammed into the garden wall in Grampian Road.I don't remember any of that but I still have a slight scar where I burst my lip,In later years when I look at it I'm surprised I survived/ In a previous post I mentioned I lived with my grandma,In the earlier years they lived in Auld Torry near the leading lights ( Fore close) then they moved to Loiriston Place at the top of Mansfield Road. My mothers three sisters also lived nearby in Mansfield Place they had three houses at the bottom of the hill overlooking Glenbervie Road.where the bushes were..I recognised some of the shops but the ones I new were in Walker Road was Lovies and the one knew in Glenbervie road was SIMMIES. I also went to the Salvation Army hall there. I also recognise most of the places we used to play at, the sannies. bonny shore etc My grandma used to send me down to the coop, in Victoria road. By gum that was some hill getting back up again,Iam not sure where the Glen houses are in Grampian road The ones I had friends in was opposite Walker road school Grampian road gates I remember they had a lot of steps I was also a member of the lifeboys anf Boys brigade in the St FITTICKS church, The ministers name was Tom Gunn, but we all called him Tommy Gunn Then you moved to Nigg and I moved to Cove. We were in the first new houses to be built in Cove for years,The wooden ones at the back of the church..Again not far from each other. My wife had some friends who lived at the top of the nigg brae, There was what I was told a police radio ariel a few doors from their house Do you still have the GAY GORDON pub there The roof tiles were laid out in the Gordons tartan. It was a large place with several bars and a dance floor A novel thing but a pest. The dance hall and bars were built exactly on the border of the city of Aberdeen and the county of Kincardine the pubs in Aberdeen closed at nine thirty and the pubs in Kincardine closed at ten oclock. so at 9.30 an expanding gate was pulled over the dance floor.If you were on the Aberdeen side the bars at that side of the gate was closed. If there was room you got to go over to the Cove side.. but if it was full it was home time. In the early evening the Cove side always filled up first The border was eventually moved to south of Cove. At that time ther pubs did not open on a sunday only hotels. but you had to be a bonifide traveller , You had to travel three miles so legally the people in Cove could drink in an Aberdeen hotel and the people in Aberdeen could drink in Covehotel. There was even a bus called the boozers bus that run on a sunday evening. This not a Shaw Savill topic but I am talking to ex emloyees of SHAW SAVILL .Later in years the name of the Gay Gordons was changed to just The Gordons George Mitchell. . Posted on 02/06/2016 at 21:39:59

Hi any Northern Star or MV Iberic members I am searching for Annie Goldstein (probably married now) had a brother we called "Mandy" also had been on N.S We worked in the same aft restaurant as Link Jeffries Alex Beaumont Graham Mingay under the esteemed Patrick Deere (sadly passed away last Nov} if anyone has any contact or wants to contact me do so on pamhowie@bigpond.com.au. cheers Pam UsherPosted on 04/06/2016 at 07:31:05

Hi Pam. Just read a post on Ships Nostalgia. M.V. Iberic The first four Girls on a pure cargo liner. They came off the Northern Star when she was sold. Annie Goldstein was one of those mentioned. Regards Bill Morrison Posted on 04/06/2016 at 19:37:59

Hi anyone around from Alaric 1967 K line charter? James Black.Posted on 05/06/2016 at 08:28:39

Hi James Black again served on Alaric as greaser and Brittanic with George as 4 Engineer and Tommy Hoy as 2 Eng.Posted on 05/06/2016 at 08:31:36

To PAUL HOLMES and BILL MORRISON. I FINALLY managed to get into the Shipsnostalgia site. having a look at the Shaw Savill forum page I read about somebody asking about CAPT MUIRISON. I posted a reply saying I had sailed with him on the AFRIC from 1966 till 1968. I posted it about 10 pm on Sunday the 5TH JUNE checking my e mails this morning MON 6TH I found I had a reply from GEELONG In Australia from the CHIEF ENGINEER OF THE AFRIC. we did two trips to trips from April 67 till Jan 68. I will reply to his posting if I can find it again. I get more amazed a this machine every day. GEORGE MITCHELL Posted on 06/06/2016 at 13:17:07

to BILL MORRISON. was reading one of your posts on ships nostalgia. but unfortunately ive never been able to find it again.. When we had a breakdown the engine was still stopping the phone would ring . How long are you going to be The chiefs answer was always the same. We will open up the engine and will be guided by what we find, I will advise you later.i think it was the waiwera but I'm not sure. You said I would spend a couple of hours on the ships nostalgia site . I don't think ive been to bed before 2am for weeks.I get on it in the evening. time flys by regards George Mitchell . .Posted on 14/06/2016 at 00:15:25

Hi Pam, I was in the same cabin as Linc for many years on the Star and have only just got back in touch with him after 42 years. Linc still talks to Alex, Glen Harris, Dave Stringer, Joan Redmound, George Patterson Phil Downing and a hole bunch more, Mingay is STILL at sea ..... Joan still talks to him. Any more info my email is ihuggins248@gmail.comPosted on 15/06/2016 at 18:35:11

Hello. Does anyone have any info or contact details for Dave Ridehalgh who I met when we were young things in 1963 in Melbourne. He was 2nd ref. eng. (later 1st) on Carnatic. Email ytragear@gmail.comPosted on 24/06/2016 at 07:06:30

Wow What amazing stories. I grew up hearing many such stories. My father was Capt. Angus MacDougall sadly deceased recently. I travelled with him and my mother and have some marvellous memories that not many people can relate to unless they were also akin to SS&A life. I believe Dad was the last of his crew, well of the many 'uncles' I grew up with anyway but I would still love to hear from anyone who sailed with him. I am particularly on the hunt for anyone who can help me finalise his estate where his Merchant Navy Pension is concerned. His solicitor cannot find anywhere or anyone to contact to have his pension ceased. It is still being paid to his estate here in New Zealand. I remember him telling us he had it organised through our Inland Revenue Department but they can't stop it being paid either. We need to settle this matter up somehow. If anyone can help me please email me Jinglez@orcon.net.nz. Thanx Fiona 'Red Legs' MacDougallPosted on 24/06/2016 at 22:03:30

Re David Ridehalgh ( The Lash ) I am sorry to relate that Dave died in 1969 in Scarborough. I think it was an accident involving a fishing boat but not certain. Bill Morrison Posted on 26/06/2016 at 18:41:27

Thank you Bill for letting me know about Dave Ridehalgh. We were very close at one stage, I have lovely memories. Very sad. Thanks again.Posted on 27/06/2016 at 12:28:20

To Fiona Macdougal. Hope the pension info I sent you was of some value. when I saw your dads name I remembered I had seen it before somewhere, I don't know if you seen it,but his name is mentioned in a posting about the Coptic you can read this on this site Posting dated 19.07.15. not that long ago, George MifchellPosted on 30/06/2016 at 23:03:38

Hi George Mitchell from John Davies, I am sure our site followers will have enjoyed reading your many excellent detailed posts. I remember being berthed on the north side of KGV looking across in admiration at each of the Royal Mail Line big A's, I was amazed when you said how small your cabin was on the AKAROA ex-AMAZON. I joined the WAIWERA as 2nd Elect in March '64 after you and Bob Little had departed. I re-joined her as 1st Elect in April '66. At that time SS&A had introduced an incentive payment of £30 for Engineers & Mates to sign on their four knackered vessels, the ROMANIC, RUTHENIC, WAIPAWA & WAIWERA, the payments increased to £40 for the next trip and were to increase to £50 for a third trip and subsequent trips. WAIWERA's last voyage was very eventful, a long story, I need your typing finger for that one. It was always a dream of mine to sail as passenger. My dream came true in 1970 when my bride and I boarded the WINDSOR CASTLE at Southampton with our 1964 Singer Vogue on board for our 12 day passage to Cape Town. I wasn't used to having so much leisure time. We had a 3,000 mile drive to start a 3 year contract with Anglo American on a Copper Mine in Zambia. There was that many ex Merchant Navy Engineers working at our Mine, I organised a couple of MN evenings. I too worked Offshore in the North Sea, I was on the Beryl Field for nearly 20 years working for Mobil. Latterly our rota was 2 weeks on - 3 weeks off, which was excellent. Thank you George for sharing your many very interesting memories. JD. Posted on 07/07/2016 at 00:05:06

HI. John Davies from George Mitchell. Thankyou for your comments. The Akaroa looked a great ship but it was not for me. Just my luck on the WAIWERA. I did six trips to Aussie / New Zealand. before the bonus was given, missed out again As this was my first big ship I did not know any better. I just thought the scavenge fires Runaway generators. main engine piston rings that disappeared and leaky boiler tubes was normal. I had just spent part of my apprenticeship keeping the ageing steam trawlers in Aberdeen going.so broken machjnes and leaky boilers was my normal. I may have been young and stupid at the time but I found it exciting and time flew by. I never asked for a transfer but was told by Fred Sibley I needed experience.elsewhere in fact I often thought I had been lucky travelling to AUSSIE/NZ and get paid for it. As I was a junior watchkeeper in port I got a lot of time off between watches to go sightseeing. also it was a great party ship I played my accordion on board and ashore especially in Bluff I did not realise at the time but my experience on the Waiwera set me up for later on when my first trip as second engineer on the AFRIC. a floating wreck the only reliable thing was luckily the main engine.All the junior engineers were first trippers At the end of my nine years I was given the choice of transferring to Cairn line or leave. I chose to leave and join the oil industry.starting in the North Sea in 1971 Two years on anchor handling tugs Three years as supt engineer looking after maintenance of seven ships. Two years on a dive support ship as chief engineer then twenty one years on the northsea oil rigs. I stood by mpv THAROS being built in JAPAN , did the tow to UK. Stayed with her as 2nd /chief engineer for two years Went back to Korea. Stood by the building of thee rigs. I did the tow of the Sedco 711 to UK.I. stayed there as senior mechanic then Planned maint,supervisor for ten year. I was then transferred to the SEDCO 712 as planned maintenance supv, as she had been working else where. and had to be brought back to UK standard. I stayed there for 11 years I retired early in Nov 99 to be my wifes carer. However I was asked by a dutch company to do part time survey work on rigs in the cromerty firth I did this for a year then retired permanently. I have been on the Beryl platform several times.due to fog or crew changing in the star canopus. When I wrote my first posting in April the meter reading was 139780 now 145837 that's 6057 in just over three months.Thats a lot of interest in a company over 40 years ago. its one of my favorite sites regards George Mitchell Thanks again . .. Posted on 09/07/2016 at 21:03:04

Hi George M, regarding the STAR CANOPUS, I was on board the Beryl Alpha that tragic morning when the STAR CANOPUS was blown under our platform and her diving bell plummeted to the seabed, a very sad day. JDPosted on 13/07/2016 at 00:05:52

Hi John D. I was Chief Engineer on board at that time the wind came from nowhere. THE divers survived the falling bell. We got another diving vessel along side to put their bell down to transfer the divers over. for some reason they both forgot to put on their weights. When they left the bell they shot to the surface and died immediately. We went back to Leith with the bodies. An enquiry team inspected the engine log books etc Tested the engines. All found to be ok, to strong a gust of wind. nothing before and nothing after, While in Leith three returning diving crew were in a car that drove over the edge of the quay at the stern of the ship. everybody in the car drowned. , When we returned to the oil field we got the job to place concrete saddles over the pipelines to secure them to the sea bed one saddle as it went over the side it pulled the diving deck foreman with it. and he drowned also. Six people in three week. I stayed on that vessel till the end of the diving season. I left to join the THAROS in Japan, did the tow to UK. Then went on the oil rigs till I retired George Mitchell5 Posted on 13/07/2016 at 02:13:06

Hi George. Thank you for the information you sent me. Unfortunately the MNOPF were unable to help me without having Dads NI number. It will be here in one of his many boxes of paperwork but to find it will take many weeks to hunt through. Whilst I have been investigating this and other info I had an SS&A widow send me a photo of my Dad (Angus MacDougall) with 3 other crew mates from the SARACEN in 1962. Brun Hammond - Master, Nick Murphy - Engineer of some rank, and a W Muir - whom neither myself or the widow can place. His face is familiar tho. We would appreciate if anyone could fill us in on who he is please. I would also be keen to know if anyone remembers JOHN THE SPRING - I think he was a Steward but I can't be certain. Please email me on Jinglez@orcon.net.nz Thanx Fiona DoublétPosted on 15/07/2016 at 20:21:37

Hi Fiona. If you have your dad's Discharge Book his N.I. member should be on the first page. Bill Posted on 24/07/2016 at 19:29:45

i am still waiting if anyone knows if David Senglow is still alive my email is raewynvork@gmail.com cheers Raewyn New ZealandPosted on 04/08/2016 at 08:08:26

Thanx Bill. As yet I still haven't found his discharge book but I am still working through years of paperwork and collected stuff. I'm sure it'll be here somewhere. Fiona DPosted on 09/08/2016 at 16:39:12

What happens now that we are at the bottom of the pagePosted on 21/09/2016 at 06:39:33

hi again. My name is George Mitchell. I first found this site back in APRIL 16. At that time the meter reading was 139780. Today it is 150810. in six months that's a total of 11030 viewings. That's a lot for a company that disappeared about 40 years ago. Yet in that time theres only been about a dozen posts apart from mine. That took me a few months to write. I know that with time our number is dwindling as time passes us by. There must be people out there with stories to tell. until I got this laptop I never knew I had a story to tell.until I had written it. I surprised myself and my family. They never knew much about me before they were born.but the do now and were quite surprised. I have also written stories on another site and have recommended this site, After that I started getting blogs from Australia New Zealand and many other countries from people I sailed with 50 years ago. on one occasion I I was reading a message about some one looking for somebody else. I never knew the answer but I just said I had sailed with him in 1966. I sent that at 10.pm on a Sunday night. Next morning I got an e mail via the site from the Chief engineer of the AFRIC. He was chief and I was 2nd eng. We have kept in contact since. He also told me stories of his life since Shaw Savill how he travelled from Sydney to Dampier in Western Australiain a mini car pulling a trailer and a sailboat, then he found eventually there was no roads. and hardly a town , he had got a job in the mines power station.Stories like these would go down well on this memories site. maybe theres not many stories about Shaw Savill but there must be many stories about life after Shaw Savill. or even before .I myself could write about my apprentice ship days in shipyard where every thing was built by the yard Steam engines winches etc then 30 years on supply ships diving support ships then oil rigs. They are not strictly shaw savill memories but about Shaw Savill people Don't let this site fade away there are a lot of stories to tell. but maybe you don't know it yet, it could be yourNIs. George Mitchell.. Posted on 23/09/2016 at 12:55:43

Thank you George for geeing up our site followers, I recently sent an article which involved the NORTHERN STAR to Mike Lacey the Hon. Sec. of the Shaw Savill Society & Editor of the Society Newsletter, following the publication of the next SSS Newsletter, I will post brief details of the article on our site, John Davies. Posted on 25/09/2016 at 23:41:17

NORTHERN STAR – Lifeboat No 4. This is an abbreviated story which is included in the Shaw Savill Society Newsletter November 2016, Issue 21, recently circulated to the members. When I was made redundant by Mobil North Sea Ltd. in 1997, I got involved with Hartlepool Lifeboat Station. Following the Sunday morning Lifeboat exercise, the crew attend “Church Parade” in the Smallcrafts Association (Pub). Recently one Sunday the conversation diverted into provisions in Ship’s lifeboats. Eric Reeve our retired Station Coxswain mentioned that he still had a tin of soup that was in a lifeboat that he had bought in 1975, it had been removed from the NORTHERN STAR. Being an ex-Shaw Savill man, I decided that I had to dig into the details. Prior to the NORTHERN STAR leaving Southampton for Taiwan to be scrapped, most of her lifeboats were removed and put up for sale. My friend, Eric Reeve and his business partner Jim Stoddart paid £1,100 for No 4 lifeboat, made from Glassfibre Reinforced Polyester, 37’ in length with a capacity of 140 Persons. It was transported to Hartlepool by a low loader to be converted into a fishing boat. As mentioned above, Eric found some emergency provisions which were still on board, a tin of kidney soup and a tin of biscuits, Eric kept the tin of soup as a souvenir. The lifeboat was fitted with Fleming Gear propulsion system, a series of hand oscillating levers operated by the passengers turned the propeller. When Eric removed this system, the 30” diameter propeller was too large and had the wrong pitch to be used with the engine that was to be fitted, he donated it to the Hartlepool Diving Club, which went on display in their Clubhouse. The conversion work included the installation of a Leyland 401 diesel engine, a working deck installed along with a forward smart teak Wheelhouse. The fore peak was raised to form a small crew cabin. The vessel was rigged for fishing lines, pots and nets. Later an aft gantry was fitted for trawling with a hydraulic winch which was powered from a pump connected to the engine. Eric carried out most of the conversion work himself, he is a time served Joiner and a very efficient engineer gaining his additional skills initially from overhauling his motor bikes. Eric has happy memories of the many successful fishing seasons he enjoyed in NORTHERN STAR HL 116. Always on the lookout for additional work for his vessel, he picked up a six month contract from Taylor Woodrow during the construction of Hartlepool Nuclear Power Station, HL 116 was a Stand-by vessel while divers carried out modifications to the subsea cooling water tunnel in Tees Bay. Eric sold the vessel in 1985 for £5,000. These brief details covering the extended life of NORTHERN STAR’s lifeboat No 4 must only be a little insight into many other stories out there. John DaviesPosted on 04/11/2016 at 23:44:33

Dear All, I've been researching Sir David Aitchison for a presentation I am giving to our local Historical Society about his trip on the SS Gothic with Queen Elizabeth on her inaugral tour of the Pacific Dominions. Sir David and his wife Mary lived in our house in Essex from 1939 to 1975, which is where he wrote his book about the trip called 'Royal Standard Red Ensign'. The book is very informative and I've also found one or two old video's online. However, what I would really like to have, if they exist at all, are pictures or even a video of his knighting, which took place on board the Gothic in Aden before the Queen departed for a tour of Africa. Also if anyone has any interesting stories of the ship or the trip. Many thanks, Alastair Farr (afarr@live.co.uk) Posted on 02/01/2017 at 11:18:45

Hello Alastair ~ have passed on your message to members of the Shaw Savill Society in NZ, Aust and UK ~ someone may be able to offer assistance or have interesting story to relate. I know of two of our members who sailed on RY Gothic ~ and I have in Company archive material photo album, and Route Map of the Royal Tour. The Society archive DVD has The Royal Tour on film. Do not recall seeing any photos or cine of Sir David's knighting. Hope you receive positive response. Cheers Jamie Shedden, Shaw Savill Society NZ Posted on 25/01/2017 at 06:23:22

HI ONCE AGAIN, my name is George Mitchell. I found this site on April 16. At that time the meter reading was 139780 and now its 157780. by coincidence thats exactly 18000 in 11 months.but only a handful of posts since Sept.16. I wrote a series of posts starting April 14th16.about the 9 years I had sailed with Shaw Savill from junior to 2nd eng on motor ships. I also added about my life when growing up. the area in which I lived and the work my family did ,it was obvious I was going to end up at sea. I left school at 15, as was normal then. All I got when I left was the usual leaving certificate which just said I had been at school and had progressed satisfactory. a shake of the hand and goodbye. Goodluck life is what you make of it. No help with finding a job it was up to yourself. I wrote to the shipyard engineering manager and received a reply for an interview. I duly attended all spick and span. He asked me some questions then asked me why I wanted to be a marine engineer. I told him my Grandfather worked in the yard during the war and got hurt when it was bombed . His three sons served an apprenticeship there and each of them is a chief engineer on BP TANKERSand my father was chief engineer on an Aberdeen trawler. I wanted to follow the tradition. Ialso told him I had done two trips with him on the school holidays. He asked me about that, so I told him I studied the engine room with my dad, the steam came from the boiler to the 3 cylinders of the engine. high .medium and low pressure. it the went through a low pressure turbine for the generator then through the condenser then pumped back to the boiler as hot water He said I would be accepted as an apprentice,when I was 16. but until then I had to work in the engine store 8 shillings a week in the store then 10 shilling at 16 then 18 Shillings at 18 wow I was on my way.HIS office was next to the drawing office and I said maybe I will become a draughtsman. He said one job at a time. I will continue Georger .Posted on 17/02/2017 at 20:53:58

Can you remember shipmates other names. I remember names like Hatrack, Gomes, Albert RN.,Clark Kent, Wingnut, Yorkie, Mutton Bird,McNabs. I was called South on one ship I was on. Wonder how many of the above are still around today. Stewart RandellPosted on 22/03/2017 at 01:42:39

Hi Stewart Randell, I sailed with you on the ionic, I was 2nd eng and you were first elect, I remember when I was on the afric the name given to the elect dept was duck pond.. They were mike pond and john duck. they have been mentioned on this site before, Wonder if they are still around, I received a message a few weeks ago from a long time engineer in SHAW SAVILL called Trunch. When I was on an oil rig as chief engineer I was always referred to as the Oracle I had been with it for fourteen years from building in Korea.Then I transferred to another rig where they called me Nostradamus,as I would tell them what had to be looked at etc, I was on that one 12 years Both rigs were built at the same time at the same HYUNDIA shipyardThey were identical I just about knew every nut and bolt personally I Remember being on a shaw savill ship with someone called Mutton Bird, might have been when I was relieving or coastals. just yesterday ii received a posting on Ships Nostalgia from an engineer I sailed with on the AFRIC 50 YEARS AGO, who now lives in Queensland Aussie Get your thinking caps on and get this site moving again ALL THE BEST TO ALL, George MitchellPosted on 22/03/2017 at 23:35:10

Last weekend, I attended the 33rd annual UK Shaw Savill Society Reunion at Horwood House Hotel near Milton Keynes. I only joined the Society three years back. I now regret not joining years ago. I am slowly getting to know the regulars that attend. We had a very enjoyable weekend which flew by, exchanging and sharing many memorable details of our service on Shaw Savill vessels, happy memories, John Davies. Posted on 24/03/2017 at 00:04:13

Hi George, after I left SS&A, I worked on the oil rigs in Nigeria.The one I was on had 14 legs drilling off shore. We done 28 days on 14 off in Las Palmas I stuck with it till the contract finished. The pay was good, they paid you in US dollers. happy days. Stewart RandellPosted on 10/04/2017 at 06:12:55

Hi John ~ good to hear you enjoyed the Shaw Savill Reunion at Milton Keynes ~ I hear they had good turn out of crew this year ~ which is quite amazing after 33 years.Our numbers in NZ are sadly dwindling with just 64 at last years event in Auckland ~ and we hope for similar 'sign up' for next year also in Auckland. We hold National reunions every two years but in Auckland we have annual Christmas BBQ which attracts members from the Bay of Islands and Waikato regions. Shaw Savill did indeed, provide us with many happy memories. Jamie Shedden, NZ Posted on 11/04/2017 at 00:09:45

Is there any chance of having a reunion in Sydney ?. Stewart RandellPosted on 13/04/2017 at 05:23:58

Hi Stewart Your mention of Hatrack suddenly came to me he was a young apprentice tall and skinny I think his name was Dave Welch he was on the Zealandic came from Hull must be in his fifties now YorkiePosted on 27/04/2017 at 21:17:00

In the mid sixties I was a keen 18 year old working in Leadenhall Street in the City of London at SSA Head office. My job was going through the voyage disbursement accounts with receipts for everything kept in neat cardboard boxes. My first Christmas there I was advised that the Christmas dinner function would be held on the Ceramic which was having work done in the Dry dock down at the Royal Docks I lived in East Ham at the time so not a problem. Such happy memories. Posted on 05/07/2017 at 19:03:57

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I have just found this website and am pleased to see 2 names I recognise from my time as an engineer on the CERAMIC. (66/68) Kindest regards to DAVE PARKINSON and ALAN CLUTTERBUCK from PAUL SOMERVILLE. I have now gone through the all photos and stuff collected during those days and found a great couple of shots of you Dave. One standing on the manoevuring platform that I took from the lab cage, and one standing by the engine room desk. Both have plenty of engine room detail. Would you like copies? Another of both props being removed in KG5. They both had hairline cracks and had to be replaced at enormous cost (14000 pounds). No wonder the Super didn't have spare cash to fit handbasins to all the engineers cabins! I took a photo in the dock but can't recognise anyone. Were you around at that time? The CERAMIC was probably a gentlemans job after some of the motor ships. I can remember only a few surprises in my 2 yrs. Condenser o/board discharge v/v collapsed off Banks Pen and repaired by divers in Wellington. Port LP turbine removed in Colon. Can't remember why (but she seemed to chug along just as well without it). Stbd boiler superheat furnace brickwork collapsed. Quite hot on the manoevuring platform with our backs to the red hot plating. Regards to all and especially to those managing this website. Paul Somerville ChristchurchPosted on 14/07/2017 at 08:25:02

s there any chance of having a reunion in Sydney ?. Stewart RandellPosted on 13/04/2017 at 05:23:58 Hi Stewart We have had many Reunions in Sydney ~ and also in Melbourne ~ and last one in Brisbane ~ but the Australian Branch closed after Brisbane Reunion because no one wanted to take responsibility of running the committee. Australian Branch was started by Eddie & Jessie Murphy but after they passed on Eddie Christie and George Kaz took over. Australian members were invited to join the NZ branch and we have about 30 members and usually about 20 make the trip across the Tasman to join our gatherings. If you are prepared to organise a Sydney Reunion ~ well and good and I can advertise for all our members in Aust/NZ and UK. ~ please let me know if you plan to do this. Our Next reunion will be in Auckland in Aprl 2018. Cheers Jamie Shedden, Reunion Coordinator NZ/AustPosted on 30/07/2017 at 08:02:29

Hi Charles Tonner~ regarding engineers on Illyric ~ few names I recall but Graham Thompson is only member of Shaw Savill Society in New Zealand and lives in New Plymouth. If you are not in touch with him - please give me your email or contact ~ and can put you in touch with him. Cheers Jamie Shedden, Shaw Savill Society, NZPosted on 30/07/2017 at 08:11:34

reference young nameless 18 year old who worked in Leadenhall Street in mid 60's ~ you must have known Lily Birch who was secretary to Warren Jones in Leadenhall Street at that time. Lily ~ and Warren ~ have remained good friends ever since these wonderful days in mid 60's. Warren is in NZ and Lily now back in England after many years of retirement in Spain. You may also have known NZ lad Jim O'Warn who I think worked in Accounts too ~ he returned to NZ on Ocean Monarch in early 70's. Sadly Jim passed away last year but we remained friends since Shaw Savill days. My first recollection of London Docks ~ and pubs ~ when I joined Akaroa ex Amazon in 1968 ~ recall the Company annual dinner at Connaught Rooms where Jim gave a speech. Our paths may never have crossed but I am sure we had many mutual friends in the Company. Cheers Jamie Shedden, Shaw Savill Society, NZPosted on 30/07/2017 at 08:24:26

Anyone remember Fred Sibley in personnel.He would tell you to join a ship in Liverpool only to find the ship,after going to Liverpool was in Hull. Many a good day out on British Rail was had. Happy Days Stewart RandellPosted on 24/08/2017 at 03:39:48

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, Hi STEWART RANDELL. I sailed with you on the IONIC.you were First elect and I was 2nd eng, Who could possibly forget Fred SIBLEY, He interviewed me for a job in Aberdeen railway station, He came up in one train from London and returned on the next, During the years I was there he always knew where every body was, but sometime the ships were not where he said the were, I was staying in Anchor House jn Barking I think when I received a message Get yourself to Hull Pronto to Join the Waiwera When I arrived I found out she was in London, There was no computers and hardly any phones so I got myself back to London,I wrote a series of stories on this site which you read where I mentioned Fred Siblley a few times, If you did him a favour such as coming back early for a coastal or a quick stand in for somebody He never forgot, ON two occasions on short notice taking my wife on a five month trip to AUSSIEand when I was able to go to college for 2NDS in ABERDEEN He made it happen, Can anybody remember the good nights in Anchor House when they had an all girl band playing most nights, A FANTASTIC time to be in the MN, the sixties All the best to us all., Getting on in years George Mitchellyellow Posted on 24/08/2017 at 20:24:30

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